I dont know but as far as I see, and I've said above, nowadays people join BF not because they enjoy it. It's because instant mount which can save them 30 moolah. With that being said, the number of people joining BF significantly decreases. Sometimes, there are 4 or 5 people per side maybe more, but most of the time, BF is deserted throughout weekdays compared to April to end of June, there were always at least 6 hour BF straight every night (US Central Time), CTF isn't included, and it's not scarce to see that people did 10 to 12 BF straight. It was even more active on the weekend. During that period, Sedy increased minimum number of participants is 6, and that didn't even prevent people from doing BF. Moreover, number of people dual logging in BF increases.

How active BF is also reflects server population. Back then, average online people were around 65, now it drops to 45. From September to now, most of player are busy with school, and we were busy from April to June as well cause it's time for exam and semester ending. So saying people online less cause of school isn't that relevant here.

Sedy stated he wasn't sure if what he did was good. He receives far less complaints, but I believe it's because people who join BF often have quit joining BF. Most of us, myself included, do BF once in a while for ailment or skill point quest. That's all.

experimented enough? lol ok you want a discussion so ill start it off with my point of view
1. when % based HP pots were useable no one died if they did die it was from multiple people getting them and lucky enough they couldn't run away till % based pots were ready.

2. it is just a load of shit having them in BF I mean DM=death match not run pot run pot run pot and playing catch me if you can + if you had a healer on your team then it was impossible for the other team to win since a healer averagely heals 16k+ most 20k+ and they have what 5 heals so 100k hp able to be spammed on them or someone else, + then they would have % based pots to help them if they got stunned, so that goes to WTF is the point of having a DM if no one dies

3. the only reason you want them back is cause of the crusaders bleed, so im gonna tell you this they don't need nerfing it is so fucking easy to avoid a crusaders bleed and oh boo hoo they have destruction stun them silence them or use absorb buff or shield or absorb pot my Crusader goes down to 1-4k damage with destruction when a sorc uses WindFort or a absorb pot. so its easy to stay alive and as for bleeds anti stun trans cause if you took the time to look at their skills you would see that bleeds STUN so what happens if the stun doesn't work? means no bleed (light bulb pops up) bleeds are physical based = anti stun tran for physical user or anti stun buff or ailment pot you know what makes bleeds not that scary they both have 1min30sec CD if a crusader is stupid enough to spam both and you cancel them with ailment they either have to waste reset buff which FYI is a 3Min CD so to hit you again or they have to wait, and guess what.... 2 bleeds wont kill you ive tested it and on most people you are drained to 50% hp (average) whats that they can hit you while your bleeding.. good observation use a absorb potion or if lucky use absorb buff or shield shield gives you 6 hits protection bleeds only last for 4 and 5 seconds and the non AOE bleeds % hit rate is lower then before my stat VI crusader who sits on 650% hit in hit mode can miss with that skill most of the time the AOE bleed is the one which hits 90% of the time which hurts yes but as stated if they cant stun you then bleeds do nothing, and another thing crusaders don't have shields or absorb buffs they have a HP absorb buff which relies on the bleeds to semi heal themselves but it isn't much so it cant be classed as a healing skill, they also don't have multiple stuns they have 2 bleeds that stun with 1.30min CD so I don't see why they would need nerfing when all they do is hit hard but have no defensive buffs

P.S I know you didn't mention crusaders but ive been told you've been bitching about them in game about how they need nerfing so I just answered both your queries in one go

4. if % based pots get brough back in then it means that classes go into GOD mode again eg Templars, champions, wizards and mainly sorcs since RDPS can heal themselves , Templars are always slowly healing due to aura and yes they have a healing buff which is easily cancels but it does help, champs are even worse since their healing buff cant be canceled and it gives them 80% hp or so back, in which most tankers sit on 150k + hp so they would get 40-50k hp back from a CH 30% hp pot. battlefield is about having fun and killing each other, yes most of us run away to quickly heal or wait for a buff to be ready which yes I do sometimes but if you are gonna QQ about wasting food or potions cause you cant be god mode and pot out of everything then whats the point of joining, who cares if you die, go farm IDQ and get more food or farm mats to make more food the best thing about BF is that people actually die cause they cant just run and pot out of dying. another perfect thing is fire pit just to add it in, best map in game cause people can portal out so they have to try and log or port out but that can be canceled and its a small map so using HP pots doesn't matter much.

anyway that's me finished ^_^ love to all haha

I’m sorry for the late reply. I was busy and I wanted to see if there would be more people comment on this thread. Anyway, let’s get back to the main topic.

1. True, when %pot was usable, no one died unless we ganked them. However, look at it this way. There are 3 HP pot, and 1 MP pot that can be used at once. For HP, we use like this: CH pot (20/30%), Chrismas Icing/Jumbled Soup (25%) and Honey Dish (20%). MP and HP food share cooldown, so only CH MP pot can be used. If you wani, I can make this clearer. Assuming player uses manashield and use the best pot, we have: (30 + 25 + 20 )HP + 30MP = 105%. 10s later, they can use 30% MP food, so 135%. With current gears, people are unkillable.

2. Killing healer is not that big of a deal now even if %pot is back ( CH only, food isnt included). I’ve seen a SB and a WW solo killed full VI stats saint. I just stood there and watched how they did that. They did it with easy, every impressive. Even if the saint lacks of healing experience, VI stats can make up a decent gap of experience. SB’s gear is IV stats, WW’s gear is better, mostly V stats. PS: they solo killed saint means SB vs Saint and WW vs Saint, not SB + WW vs Saint.
Running is well-known in every game, so it’s acceptable strategy. However, run to keep distance is acceptable, run and wait for cooldown or sneak attack is coward. Even you admit you have to run sometimes. It’s just how we play.
3. I’m pretty sure I know who told you I want pot back because of Crusader’s bleed. I admit that I did say crusader is OP, and I did say crusader needs to be nerfed. However, I said crusader need to be nerfed only once, and it is to test that person.’s reaction. They barely know how to play their char properly, so even if you threw at them a god-like acc, that would’nt help. Additionally I said it on guild chat, and you know I don’t talk serious stuff in public. I know what to say and what not to. If that’s the secret between us, I’ll make sure it won’t leave my mouth. And you know that, don’t you?
I swear I never want nerfing on Crusader. I’m well aware of the fact that if Sedy nerfs Crusader, that will be the last nail on 2h user’s coffin. If I wanted crusader to be nerfed, I’d just make a thread saying crus is op, you should nerf them, Sedy.
There is way to get around crusader’s bleed but it doesn’t apply to all of us. Crusader has their own problem, but I don’t want to talk so much about this topic since I don’t want them to be nerfed. Again if you want me to give an explanation how avoiding bleed isn’t applied for all of us, I’ll tell you.

4. Champion’s Turtle’s Shell heals 15% every second in 4 seconds and grants immunity to all DMG, and it can’t be cancelled, so 60%HP in 4 seconds. 3 minutes cooldown but that skill is one of the best skill in game, IMO. Tankers are slow, their DMG is low unless DEF debuff is on. They are basically totempole in BF. I believe you have said this also on Tanks thread by screwup aka gaviscon. As for templar’s aura, it heals 3% every 5s. Average HP temp can have is 140k, so 4k2 every 5s. In 5s, a RDPS can complete a glitch which accumulate up to 30k. Physical ATK classes have lots of silence.
I don’t mind getting killed, but not in a pathetic way. Not me, but many people agree that BF is simply turned to DF, well duelfield. No pot means we have to give our best shot when fighting against a decently strong enemy. That means sorc needs to use wind fortification, SS and WW have to use trap, tankers have to use abs buff. Weak opponents are not included. After we use all skills, we are very vulnerable. CH pot can gives us some time to deal with other opponents while skills are on cooldown.

Let’s make an equation to compare Pot BF and Non Pot BF:
Pot BF = Everything (trans, abs pot, food, wearing cards etc) + Pot => unkillable
No Pot BF = Everything => too easy to get killed.
As you can see, if you ranked pot BF 10 on scale of difficulty to kill people, no pot BF would be 3.
Instead of blaming everything on perecentage pot, we can look at how often wearing cards pop. This issues has been around since forever. I don’t know how many it’s saved me from being ganked, getting combo. People complain about wearing card issue on the time, and when the thing comes up, percentage pot has to bear all the blame.

BF isn’t what it used to be. People just spam skill rather than use any strategy. I saw an auto-attack Sorcerer killed a templar in BF few days ago. People die too easily.

Before Pot was banned, people joined BF to have fun. Now they join BF just to buy instant mount and ailment, maybe BF cloak and BF accessories. After they get what they want, they never join BF again.

As for anyone saying that remove %pot make it fair for newbie. My response is that just makes them become bunch of cheap/lazy bums. I want CH pot, not food, is because you can farm it in CH. CH is dungeon for everything. It drops card master’s mats, gold, and all stats IV. They can gear their chars that way. Better yet, they can donate. But meh, none of them bothers doing either.

I agree they can join BF if they want, but if they can’t handle the heat, don’t go QQ to Sedy. I can tell you that lots of people going to BF85 with 70 gears or 75. I hit them 8k to 14k without DEF debuff, and up to 24k if debuff on. And if anyone knows me, I mostly go to BF with my buff only, 65 all stats food, wolf charcoal and shrink card, maybe BF hit potion. My chars are half green carded. The funniest thing is a couple days ago, I saw a Physical class hit 48k on his opponent in DM. It is just shows how ungeared they are. No farming, no donating, no CQ, no cards on gears and for some, not even bother buying CI gears.

PS: If anyone feel like being humiliated, send me a PM or talk to me in game. I want this to be a discussion thread, not a blaming, cursing child play thread.

Rofl is all I can say to that. Yes their are many pots to be used but as you stated about no stratergy in game cause people never died and as for a WW OR SB killing a VI Saint in bf that's due to many things
1.lag
2.stuns
3. Traps.
4. No excessive hp potions in BF
5. Cards mean nothing if you can't play.
6. WW. SB are anti healers so please don't try to come at me thinking you've shut me down when the 2 classes youve named are the anti healer killers. Just like how SS and snipers are anti eva killers wizards are anti eva with all their stuns and that massive explosive circle that's 30k hp 80%mp

And the list can go on anyway sedy won't change the % pots to bf again it's the best things he's done to bf so yeah

Templars are slow killers and that's cause they are tankers now not so much pvp killers which yes I stated in another post . Champs are so self efficient much more then temps
But that's what they are tankers as for sorc's well they need to be looked at we all know that and you've even said that so yeah it's not about humiliating people it's just simple discussion :3