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I'm back again. D;
And yes this means another novel, but this one is aimed at Sedy this time so you guys can relax a bit c; I know Sedy doesn't mind reading a novel now and then if it's good xD
Ok, so yes, I'ma Crusader, and I was once told by someone very recently that Crusaders deal "unavoidable/non-mitigatable damage over time from bleeds." And this is what this post is about.
It is a PvP based post there for everything in this relates to PvP.
Ok first off lets name my DoT's.
Rupture (Rank 1/2)-
Deals 20% Bonus Damage
Every 1 second [HP] -5%
3 minute Cooldown.
Grave Wounds 2 (Master)-
Deals 1300 Bonus Damage
Every 2 Seconds [HP] -700 for 12 seconds; this equals to 2.4k HP dealt.
7 second Cooldown.
Rend 3 (Rank 6/7)-
Deals 1150 Bonus Damage
Every 2 seconds [HP] -800 for 10 seconds; this equals 4k HP dealt.
9 second Cooldown.
Whirlwind 3 (Rank 4/5)-
Deals 1200 Bonus Damage
Every 1 Second [HP] -600 for 5 seconds; this equals 3k HP dealt.
16 second Cooldown.
Blood Congeal (Rank 1/2)
Stuns both me and 6 people; area of effect is myself.
Every 1 second [HP] -5% for both me and 6 target players.
(Currently glitched to deal damage only to the target players; stun works correctly).
3 minute Cooldown.
Wizards have one DoT that deals 2.5k HP every one second for 5 seconds I believe initially dealing 12.5k damage.
Sorcs have 3 burns-
One deals 800 HP per second for 5 seconds; dealing a total of 4k HP.
One deals 900 HP per second for 10 seconds; dealing a total of 9k HP.
One deals 500 HP per second for 5 seconds; dealing a total of 2.5k HP.
Just these 2 classes out do my DoT in 3 or less skills, and their cooldowns only last 5 secs longer than mine.
My 2 strongest DoT's which deal 20% each at Rank 1 will most likely deal the same amount of damage, but every 3 mins.
So my suggestion here is to bump up each of the Crusaders DoT's to 1k-1.5k health each, since we have more, we do not need to deal the same damage as a Wizard DoT; but at the current point we only deal equal to or less DoT damage to a wizard having 5x more DoTs than they do. And they are not even a DoT heavy class like Crusaders are.
I understand why Rupture and Blood Congeal have such long cooldowns; mainly because they both stun players, therefore having them have a 16s cooldown would be to much, but Blood Congeal, being set up the way it is, dealing the same damage, and having the same effect as it does on the target as it does on me, should be lowered to at least 1 minute, there for it is more effective, as it is an AoE attack aswell. Also why make it do equal dmg to both me and the target? It would make more sense to have it do a bit more to the target than me, say at -6% to them -5% to me at rank 1; -10% to them, -8% to me at master.
Mainly because a master should be more able to constrict their blood vessels more so than their own.
Rupture I think should be lowered to 2 minute cooldown, mainly because it ONLY affects the target player.
I believe these changes will make the Crusader more so the class it was meant to be because it was meant to be a bleed heavy class, but right now its bleeds only deal about 15k dmg all together, with the lowest cool down being 7 seconds (not counting rupture and blood congeal), with them added it does 40% + 15k dmg all together). Which is a lot....but on a 100k HP player in PvP that'll only drop them down to 40k hp; which leaves me out of DoT's and skills to use as my ITD's are not as useful because they only deal about 20k HP on their own. After that I'm out of skills, and he/she will probably have killed me.
And my DoT's can miss, so sometimes I won't even land a bleed skill, or I'll land its initial attack but not the bleed itself.
Which lowers my effectiveness.
At master of each skill I do 80% + 15k in bleeds, and 40% to myself, if I land it, don't get stunned, and survive long enough to hit them 5 time.
Just some suggestions.
Right now I can barely get someone down below 75% HP before I get overrun with stuns, ITD's, and/or stronger bleeds.
And yes this means another novel, but this one is aimed at Sedy this time so you guys can relax a bit c; I know Sedy doesn't mind reading a novel now and then if it's good xD
Ok, so yes, I'ma Crusader, and I was once told by someone very recently that Crusaders deal "unavoidable/non-mitigatable damage over time from bleeds." And this is what this post is about.
It is a PvP based post there for everything in this relates to PvP.
Ok first off lets name my DoT's.
Rupture (Rank 1/2)-
Deals 20% Bonus Damage
Every 1 second [HP] -5%
3 minute Cooldown.
Grave Wounds 2 (Master)-
Deals 1300 Bonus Damage
Every 2 Seconds [HP] -700 for 12 seconds; this equals to 2.4k HP dealt.
7 second Cooldown.
Rend 3 (Rank 6/7)-
Deals 1150 Bonus Damage
Every 2 seconds [HP] -800 for 10 seconds; this equals 4k HP dealt.
9 second Cooldown.
Whirlwind 3 (Rank 4/5)-
Deals 1200 Bonus Damage
Every 1 Second [HP] -600 for 5 seconds; this equals 3k HP dealt.
16 second Cooldown.
Blood Congeal (Rank 1/2)
Stuns both me and 6 people; area of effect is myself.
Every 1 second [HP] -5% for both me and 6 target players.
(Currently glitched to deal damage only to the target players; stun works correctly).
3 minute Cooldown.
Wizards have one DoT that deals 2.5k HP every one second for 5 seconds I believe initially dealing 12.5k damage.
Sorcs have 3 burns-
One deals 800 HP per second for 5 seconds; dealing a total of 4k HP.
One deals 900 HP per second for 10 seconds; dealing a total of 9k HP.
One deals 500 HP per second for 5 seconds; dealing a total of 2.5k HP.
Just these 2 classes out do my DoT in 3 or less skills, and their cooldowns only last 5 secs longer than mine.
My 2 strongest DoT's which deal 20% each at Rank 1 will most likely deal the same amount of damage, but every 3 mins.
So my suggestion here is to bump up each of the Crusaders DoT's to 1k-1.5k health each, since we have more, we do not need to deal the same damage as a Wizard DoT; but at the current point we only deal equal to or less DoT damage to a wizard having 5x more DoTs than they do. And they are not even a DoT heavy class like Crusaders are.
I understand why Rupture and Blood Congeal have such long cooldowns; mainly because they both stun players, therefore having them have a 16s cooldown would be to much, but Blood Congeal, being set up the way it is, dealing the same damage, and having the same effect as it does on the target as it does on me, should be lowered to at least 1 minute, there for it is more effective, as it is an AoE attack aswell. Also why make it do equal dmg to both me and the target? It would make more sense to have it do a bit more to the target than me, say at -6% to them -5% to me at rank 1; -10% to them, -8% to me at master.
Mainly because a master should be more able to constrict their blood vessels more so than their own.
Rupture I think should be lowered to 2 minute cooldown, mainly because it ONLY affects the target player.
I believe these changes will make the Crusader more so the class it was meant to be because it was meant to be a bleed heavy class, but right now its bleeds only deal about 15k dmg all together, with the lowest cool down being 7 seconds (not counting rupture and blood congeal), with them added it does 40% + 15k dmg all together). Which is a lot....but on a 100k HP player in PvP that'll only drop them down to 40k hp; which leaves me out of DoT's and skills to use as my ITD's are not as useful because they only deal about 20k HP on their own. After that I'm out of skills, and he/she will probably have killed me.
And my DoT's can miss, so sometimes I won't even land a bleed skill, or I'll land its initial attack but not the bleed itself.
Which lowers my effectiveness.
At master of each skill I do 80% + 15k in bleeds, and 40% to myself, if I land it, don't get stunned, and survive long enough to hit them 5 time.
Just some suggestions.
Right now I can barely get someone down below 75% HP before I get overrun with stuns, ITD's, and/or stronger bleeds.
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12sec last, 2 sec per 700 make it up to 4.2k not 2.4k. Like you said, you didnt even max some of your skill (according to your post level master) so there shouldnt be a reason for you to complain about it. Also, I highly doubt that Crus is meant to be solely just to be a bleed heavy armor class because they got other effect as well specially - heal.
As for DoT amount of skill you have is more than sorc/wiz. The amount of Hp/tick should be lower to keep it balance. DoT is a pure dmg not gonna be affected by anything else (def/absorb/etc) As well as your Aoe DoT dealing % HP not Fix number. I personally think you need to time it to DoT, instead of asking for higher amount of DoT bonus.
Sorc burnt skill, most of them are casting skill not instant like Crus.
Crus has more than just DoT to be effective, they can be they key player with -Heal receive to kill anyone in a party war. -
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Right on the DoT sorry, my math was a little off.
As for everything else, no we are a bleed heavy class, we have good Lifesteal properties yes...but not compared to the other classes.
As for everything else, I'm not 85, so I can't max my skills, but at level 84, only having one of the two % based DoT's is a hindrance as most classes get all of theirs before max level.
Yes we have more DoT's than most classes, but as I've already pointed out, our DoT's can miss and they miss a lot, since Wizards/Scorcers' DoT's are based off of MEva not PEva they don't miss as often.
Also, as I've already stated, our DoT's deal TOGETHER almost the same damage as one DoT from another class deals. I'm excluding 2 of them because they have extremely long cool-downs, and one of them is useless as a last ditch effort because its a time buying skill, what happens to you happens to me.
Yes I realize that if I threw down both of those % based skills at the right time, I could win a fight, but getting you down to that level of HP would mean having to fight you for more than 4 or 5 seconds, and at this point in the game, PvP's still don't last that long.
I'd also have to evade other classes stuns/immobilizes, which again, is hard to do.
As for the heal receive, yes we are a key factor in wars, but even so most of our heal receives last 4-10 seconds.
If they land.
Which they hardly do.
Crusaders are extremely hard to play, and right now almost impossible to beat someone because of the fact our skills depend on luck...not even skill.
Throw all my DoT's and about 1 or 2 land, and you get maybe 5% HP taken out.
That's if I don't get stunned. x.x
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Tough luck? Lol.
Back in 75 cap, we didn't even have a reset. 8D I'm so used to not having one I don't even count it anymore. -
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And what crusader have you fought, because there are so few of us, and only one level 85 Crusader I have heard of. -
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Well if you aint 85, then dont ask for change. You are not at the of the road like some of us. Whose DoT doesnt miss? that is not an excuses. Again, I will say it clearly, there is no such thing as a bleed heavy class. You cant expect to solo another class because you are a heavy user. Your class are 1 of the best type for teamwork. Your -heal receive is the key to help your team win. Apply those in actual battle while using your current DoT will help it better than using that 1 aspect DoT of Crus. -
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And do not talk down to me, as this is a class you've probably never even tried playing.
For one, my class has no AoE skills, we have 2, that's it.
There for we are not useful in a teamfight, what so ever.
Blood Congeal and Whirlwind 3 are our only AoE skills.
Together they do little damage.
And that -heal you keep referring to sir, that is a single target only debuff.
The only -heal AoE we have is Whirlwind 3, and its Area is so small, that no one but Melee classes would be effected, so how is that even useful?
If you want to start saying we are fine the way we are, please go make a Crusader, get it to level 85, and PvP someone that is decently good.
You will surely realize my standpoint.
If bleeds are what we are good, and almost all of our bleeds are single target effect besides two of them.
Wouldn't that equal to being a 1 on 1 bleed heavy class?
I know my class, I've played it for a year, and stuck with it.
I've played with and learned my classes capabilities and the level from 84-85 will not bring much in terms of damage, unless I use my reset.
If my class was meant to reach maximum level to be as useful as it could be then so be it and that usefulness resolves around me using all of my stuns/% bleeds then resetting and repeating than what good am I? Because that gives me 3 skills, each with 3 minute cool-downs as my highest DPS available...and once all that is over....still back to square one. c; Because even the % based bleeds can miss... -
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No. Our never miss skill is Coup de Grace. Its an ITD. I don't believe its a we have no skill that negates heals totally. -
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Correction. I have played through 85 Crus. Its you who doesnt know what you are talking about. You only stuck with the idea that you gotta bleed people to win. Like i said, if you dont recognize how to make your class useful with you skill, I dont even expect you to see the potential of Crus (even though youve been playing for a year according to your statement). This is not 1 on 1 game, and the whole point I see from your asking for adjustment is just for 1 on 1. Im interested in how do you see I talk down on you ... but now I think I have enough reason to look down on you.
P/s: Cheer -
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Oh I know, I'm currently referring everything I do by Loki (i7EX and some other Crusaders)
As for the 85 I've heard of I've never met him. -
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some beautification suggestion on 84 Crus
1. i just wish congeal wont miss on enemies...
2. better ITD cd
3. and bit def and hp,
4. and make some awesome skills be learnable @ 84 even atleast at lvl 1 of the skill.
so it wont be much of a support type but be a bold fearsome kickass playable character that can also carry BF
5. ohh 1 more thing pls make either congeal or rupture, non cancelable by "ailment potion"
not both but pls consider 1 , but id prefer congeal
PS: GCast is annoying xD poor melee classes just get stuck on the wall with multi push gcast @___@ [warlock]
GCast is annoying xD poor melee classes just get stun forever with multi lightning stun gcast @___@ [wiz]
hope me cast go loco gcast on our skills and stuns too :3
6. or increase our damage output to that of the gcast. -
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So everyone here won't bug Vulcan in a PM
How 2 guide on Melee GCast.
1)Start a Pet summon, not a Moolah pet, because that is instant cast (and everyone knows you cant GCast instants).
2)Do what you would if you were normally GCasting a Mage. c;
Enjoy everyone, Melee GCasting. c; -
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Rupture doesn't state never miss on the skill information, unless I missed it somewhere, which I doubt since I stare at it constantly.
It is however a 20% bonus dmg skill with a -5% HP/sec dot, that can stun/immobilize; which can also miss, proc on both the initial an dot dmg.
Just like Congeal.
And so everyone can get a feel of how lucky you have to be with Congeal...
You can miss your targets...and still effect yourself with it.
So you can miss all 6 people, but you yourself can get stunned and the DoT. Therefore making it a bit useless. -
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you have to be extremely lagless to do instant cast gcast, and most people aren't
me i might be able to, since the server is less than 100miles from me.
on the other hand, charge gcast wont work anymore since he fixed the bugged charged, no more placement glitching with charge. -
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tnx for the tip vulcan xD gonna go get me some mount
yow twinky. i just want either of the skill to be noncancellable so we can atleast extect that we could sure kill someone xD.
its sad that they are confident that they can kill us and at the same time they cursor just hover around over the ailment pot button xD
an they are also confident theyd survive @_@ -
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Meh, You're talking like you have experienced the whole gameplay of being a crusader. Mind you, a lvl 85 crusader can deplete a templar's hp up 35% with just 2 skills (DoT skills) And yes, Vulcan has already played an 85 crusader. Even done CQ so if you have any arguments about your skills. Go to 85 bracket before you speak.
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