the 12% Hp - per every 16 sec is already OP enough o.o. If something needed to improve? I suggest it should be the Rope buff. -27% abs is almost all abs come from a Sniper ... Beside that? Everything else is OP, -90% atsp/cast/Mv for 6 sec and Aoe from Bullet time is almost causing a group of ppl unable to do anything. Sniper Dot is instant with short CD not long CD. Sniper has a lot of temporary buff as well as debuff so definitely being an underrated class (except for that -27% abs thing).

Maybe suggesting to reduce the -27% abs will increase your dmg in PvP field better. In PvE while? you are always outta range, that -27% abs almost mean nothing (unless your tanker decides to fly with the butterfly and let you tank it)

Back in retail, i was a Scout.

It's OP but underrated, even here in NS. idk why. Most prolly 'coz they don't have burst dps like the ones that Sharpshooters have(?)
On my experience being a Scout back in retail, we were the class that doesn't really inflict the most noticeable damages. We do super micro damages and on super micro it means that it's like you're attacking using normal attacks compared to other physical classes. So i ended up pumping up my attackspeed on full extent. lol. Also, snipers have tons of debuffs that can be spammed. Just learn a proper skill flow for your attacks. If someone would sponsor me to change my job, i'd switch to sniper.

If I could make a change to snipers it would be to armour piercing shot 2. Since the it'd fix it was reduced from 100% back to 50% making it the same as the piercing shot 1 and a waste of 2sp basically.

I tried asking sedy if he could either change it back to its original 75% it'd or at least add a %bonus like he did with zeros and other classes. He never replied so hopefully he sees this post instead lol

Snipers can only do much damage on Cloth and Mail armor users, also any job can kill us almost effortless.
But against any heavy armor users, we are really useless.
Yes we can be good at support, good crowd control up to 2v2 battles

What i requested on firecracker is OP, i know but this is a request. It may not be processed and the final decision would be on the GM's hand.
All jobs have atleast one OP skill.
I have bear with Sniper at level 84 hoping it would be different at 85 but I've never been so wrong.

Spammable debuffs are useless to people using Wearing CardVI

try looking at sorcerer's skill. see whats OP

And yes I know your a sorc

they shud be given the right to 3-5 hit enemies like then since snipers mostly die also from 3-5 hits xD


now adays they just hithithit but theyr the 1 who dies xD

There's a lot to consider when it comes to pvp. or w/e. Item gap from your opponent is a major problem. Utilizing trans cards can also affect a lot on your skill flow (its a game changer). What skills to kick in 1st, and what to do next. You should also consider the opponent's skills, so you can counteract it. Pushbacks help a lot. It saved my ass 9999x against any type of users. Utilizing ranger skills (beastial/prot aura) also helps. If you're quick in switching weapons, it won't be a trouble for you. Snipers are not the ganker type of class. You can't expect it to dive in and pwn someone inside.

I'd suggest that the area silence should be the same as the ones WWs have. or idk. I havent checked Sniper skills yet, so.. meh.

I have to admit, I've been doing BF for a long time and all I can say is that Snipers are very easy to kill lol. Because unlike the other classes they don't have skills to protect themselves instantly like a shield that can "block more than 2 hits". They can only rely on damage absorb potions and nirenia transcard to protect themselves. They got a rope skill that gives them more damage but gives them -27% damage absorb in return. -27% damage absorb is a pain lol.

lol

More love to assasins too please and how about adding some attack speed to daggers? (i know level 85 daggers has attack speed) but how about addig to lvl 84 too?

Dude, assassins are buff'd up already. Even more op than WWs. imo.

We all know im a sorc ... I double dare you to find a skill that make sorc OP

like I said, that is where it needed to be reconsider ... other than that? EVA/RESIS to survive

lol Xiao. good crack on that 1 ahahaha!

lol. that may be right but when the enemy see the sniper they go like " oh look a sniper, lets go ff on that 1 hahaha". def or eva build sniper. still goes boomboom

and besides... if your happy with the class you've chosen or lucky it suits you.

it would just feel right to give some char some shine to be playable.

its a pain seeing only 3-4 classes in the game.

that other class are being left out.

agreed

Lol, i'm a Sharpshooter and my other char is a Sniper, when they see me in BF using any of those characters, everybody is like, OMG a gunner lets focus fire on him and forget about the other classes because he's easy to kill and will not be able to runaway easily. But knowing this downside, I still enjoyed doing BF and I'm doing whatever I can to counter this weakness but it wont be long before I would decide switch to another class, just like MrCrunk (before was a SharpShooter) because we knew and have experienced the downside of the defensive abilities of gun type classes. Gun types are good killers as they say but not the best and its boring if what you just normallly do is pew pew pew... then die die die

Snipers aren't useless D:<

I believe all classes has their purpose in Iris Life. HAHA


So much comments, and I'm too lazyyyyyy to read QQ

Oy Temi I like your sig ha ha

sorc is OP because of gcast, itd, wind fort. mainly gcast

LOL another know nothing about sorc. Gcast wat? when you all silent root stun by any other classes? WF can be remove BY ANY CLASSES by now. Sorc is just a crappy broken class in pvp.

Gimme moolah, i'll change job to Sniper!!

Nekki, haha ty! Your sig is amazing as well.

give alpha 1 gold

1 Gold and 20 moolah. ty. :3

1 gold and u can work out the rest =))

Also, OMG only Sorc have ITD to be OP

not really nice -_-

sleep + lowcooldown -alldef + spammable nuke skills.
gcast them all together, and poof goes 1 enemy :3

woah, for a guild that's stable on equips, members, and other resources you guys feel like your all great on pvp? or just great with items and good job classes?
here is a merit from me
FUCK YOU with feelings.really

comparing a sniper with 400+ eva and assasin/ww/sharpshooter with 300+ eva
you can hit a 400eva sniper with 250hit chance while on the other jobs mentioned earlier.. goodluck hitting them


so eva cannot be considered as survival

Yes they're not useless I love them lol D just need to be pumped up a bit so other people would use them too

yeah? go change to sniper without begging for moolah
fuck you and your bottom signature

This thread makes me want to level up my camper Scout

Dear, idk where the hate is coming from but my sig shoutouts to anyone who dislikes our guild. tbh, i give sympathy to what you posted, i just gave my thoughts about how you can adapt to the scene.

Like i said, i was once a Scout and it as a struggle. I crawled my way to find a suitable build for my class 'coz back in retail, ppl built their Scouts with Stamina/Agi cards--for me it was weird for it to be built that way. (before server merge Luminous/Radiant) Adventurers that time. eg: Envi, Hiraishin, and other known Adventurers were equipped with Evasion/Resist and Crit Cards. All Stat IV back then was a SUPER RARE that not everyone can fully-equip their armors with all stat. So yeah, what i did was--i used crit cards, evasion cards, and anything that could increase my crit, eva, atkspd. I didn't mind the damage output before coz i was confident that i can throw in my debuff and contribute to the party i am in with. Coz that is what's important; teamplay.

I never became 'rich' or even pro or even became known on being a Scout. But yeah, i try my best to improve. I had crappy items. I almost didnt have the chance to experience +10 weapon/armor. I guess i was just lucky that i had friends and guildmates that helped me through. I learned a lot from them and they weren't afraid of having a liability in their roster. I die a lot. But with each death i consider it a lesson--another room for me to improve coz you can't master something overnight.

I complained a lot too. Especially, on how Scouts or any other mail users are so freakin' easy to kill. And to add, Scouts can't kill on an ambush style or whatever suicidal things that knights/vanqs do. Scouts do what MDPSs do. They hit and run. Because for as long as you have the right distance, you are untouchable. And range is your advantage.

I saw a video early this year, i think. Martha shared it to me and i was surprised that there was a video like this. I never got the chance to see it not 'til Martha showed it after a year it happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu45Y12SYR0

That's me back in retail. LOL Yes, i can't kill a knight and my dmg sucks and i know retail is far more different from NS iris. But hey, it's still iris. Like i said, we can always adapt to changes.

I'm an Eva build mail user. I rely on it... on full extent.

PS.

If my sig offended you, sorry. I don't consider your post as whining or w/e. So i assumed that you won't get offended by it. Turns out, you did--you shoudnt. You threw out your opinion and gave suggestions. I don't consider that as QQing on something. So yeah, i feel your urge for your class to get more attention and make it more improved. I am not against that.

I like gunners. they go pew pew

Eva assassin here too. Question to OP: What did you mean that
"comparing a sniper with 400+ eva and assasin/ww/sharpshooter with 300+ eva
you can hit a 400eva sniper with 250hit chance while on the other jobs mentioned earlier.. goodluck hitting them"?

AFAIK, eva works the same on all characters.

Assassins are good the way they are dude, I don't see my assassin skills needing any buffs. Tho if any of you here could donate items to my assassin, that would be great xD

^ Exactly how I react on BF haha. The only problem with snipers is they don't have any good escaping mechanisms. Vault is one, but other than that, once you take a hold of the sniper it almost always means you win. Just buff up the rope skill that gives -27% abs, that's almost all abs a character has without using pots.

Sleep? that long CD can be remove with debuff pots? Low CD -def which is a casting skill? and gcast? with a lot of other classes can range silent/root/stun? and poof goes 1 enemy? the one undergeared but like to whine about other classes? That kinda thing is OP? I think the last one about whining would be OP LOL the rest is just a laughable joke

Maybe that's the reason why they aren't that boosted, so few using them.

Snipers are more like support thingy now. D;

So much hate for NG girl. :O

:O i see my name

She dislikes me. :/

Just got offended by the sig -.- sorry..

This thread makes me want to quit my sniper

This thread made me switch to sniper.

i suggest additional range for sniper, as the word itself "SNIPER", they shouldn't be noticed easily in a clash, because when a sorc/wiz noticed a sniper, they will not last long unless there's a healer. As I experienced.

Too much range causes a problem/glitch. Current range is fine, imo.

I'd rather have Snipers get some shield protection or something, it would really help a lot.

lol alpha... rnt u annoying enough with ur current skill ... NO SHIELD for you mister ahaha

Meanie :

How about adding a some Magical Evasion on Disengage rope skill? That would be helpful.. It would increase a little the survival of sniper on BF againts Magic users..

No space for it I'm afraid. All 3 slots of this skill are already filled with the speed and physical evasion buffs and the reduced ranged attack power.

Is it possbile to make it all evasion?

IF YOU CAN'T BEAT THEM ( SORC/WIZ/TANK), JOIN THEM!!!!

the main reason why sniper is VERYYYYYYYY WEAK,not because they have LOW dps, BUT because they have the LOWEST survival rate.
before they can kill someone, sniper will die first.

I agree that Snipers have one of the lowest survival rate, that's why i was suggesting that somehow, somewhere snipers should have some shield protection or something. But, i do not agree that snipers are very weak. Yes, they do micro-damage (minimal); but sum it all up they still inflict a great amount of dps coz of their attackspeed and to add: their debuffs are really annoying. imo, snipers aren't really 'fit' for a 1 on 1 combat, they're too vulnerable at that kind of state. Truth hurts, it's not easy using a Sniper unlike Templars, Barbs, Glads, Assassins, SBs, especially on Tanks wherein you'll just smash buttons. It's a challenge and you actually got to have 'good gears' somehow--just to level with other classes.

Yes, but to sum it all up, sniper are still weaker.
yes they have annoying debuff, that's why they would choose to kill sniper first, and you can't do anything to save your sniper, you just watch your sniper killed,
It's very weak because it is the weakest. I agree that you have to have good gears (true to all classes), but why other class dont need to have "good gears? to say that they're strong/weak?

Nah, there is no such thing. It's two separate stats and no ALL variant unfortunately.

Its true that snipers are weak.. But its up to you how you play it.. If you'll just stand your ground and wait for your enemy to get close to you.. Surely you'll die.. The thing is.. You'll need to improvise strategy just to stay alive.. .. I don't have good gears but i'm doing fine and manages to increase my survival rate a little bit.. In fact.. I've change my mind and I'm gonna stick my sniper..

but it doesn't change the fact, that snipers are weak compare to others, ,

well if you refuse to keep distance wait attacking other? Im sure sniper is just a weakling for u. I can survive with a noob spiner 85 undergeared + a Saint vs 2 Tanker and 1 Sorc for 10mins with just 20% Pot and 4k pot in hand so guess wat? You just dont have enough tactic against other classes LOL (and when enrage still -27% abs not Def)

Distance is the key and the lesser movement speed they have, the better. Use your damn skills wisely. Snipers aren't weak and same as other classes and snipers aren't OP--again, same as other classes. It all goes down to who's using the class.

And don't compare Mail users to Heavy users, esp Templars. imo and tbh, Templars are the easiest class to use. They're built to survive and could take enormous damage and still walk straight towards you.

If you wanna slack, class change to a templar or an assassin.

LOL yeah,, when me and alpha were just practicing,, me an Above average geared Vanquisher,, he can just make my hp go poof.. or render me useless and just keep me at bay with the right uses of his Debuffs

yeah yeah, you are all right, but still, weak is weak, you can all use your tactics, all players has tactics, sniper with tactics vs. other class(specially sorc and wiz) with TACTICS, still sniper loses, LOL.

if sniper's aren't weak, then how come almost all players in BF are wizards and sorcs? temps? champs? assasins? windwalkers?
where are the others?
SNIPERS, VANQ, SOULBLADER, CRUS, (lvl 84 cap)
why almost all of them change class/jobs? because they are tired of being weak, tired of dying
they want to switch to class where can they can kill more/ can survive long in battle.

That's why we are asking to improve Sniper's Skill ,
I'm satisfied with Sniper's DPS just add escaping mechanism/ increase survival rate to be more competitive in BF like others,.

Happy Iris Everyone XD

I still beg to disagree.

The only thing i want for snipers is an aura protection/shield that would break after taking such damage. (like the ones that wizards have)

There's no such thing as noob class/job. it just depends on how well you use them.

You disagree but you want an aura protection/shield for sniper, it is same as increasing survival rate, XD

of course there's no noob class, I didn't say noob, I said weak/soft/easily killed, whatever.

Nope. I disagree on what you keep on repeating. The word "weak". Keep on doing that and the only weak Sniper i'll see is you.

The little pump Sedy did already made the class more effective. Having a shield would be a consolation.

You keep on protesting about survival rate. I've been a WW for a year here on NS and a Scout in Retail for 2 years. All i can say is whatever job you are, for as long as you are a Mail user, don't expect to have a long survival rate. Mail classes are meant to evade, not to take damages. Being a sniper now and a WW as well, both has the same survival rate, imo.

im agree with nikki, gun user/snipers is more like support class, in pvp map i like play behind my team, coz im easy to die, thats why i just use hit and run. ur enemy never realize they get hit by snipers, as long u hav ppl/friend to tank u

well if all your BRAIN can think about is losing ... then you are just gonna lose and keep continue complaining. Cant blame that shit on Sniper LOL