ok. I agree mat.

Er, healers useless in pve then?

arent we meant to be tank things?

You said it. tank things not KILL things. So why are you asking for more damage? Templar's silences are annoying already and you want enormous damage still. Oh c'mon, if you havent read the update yet. Most of the classes's itds got nerfed.

Plus i would like to correct the "few" templars part. Mind you, a lot of people changed to templars cause of it's op'ness. Plus it comes with a package. "the self proclaimed pro and unkillable package"

Agree ... templars are very hard to kill (tbh just leave them cz it's just wasting time, pots, n skill cd hahaha)
well if templars got decent damage,then what the meaning of dps class

Hi Templar online Oo
Are u kiding me . we all know templars solo it not only lisk hard . Templar was able to tank and world boss for rly longer then this game need .
Lets remove all healer class , Coz Templar can do all alone , even he heal mp and hp back to ~~
Are is pain u now get 6k not 2 ?QQ
What abouth healers who get 40 k from lisk only if they drag to him from skil ?
What abouth The high reflect skil on champion ???
I've heard alot time from some good templar in this game ( i\m imoortal ) .
HI peoplle u need more nerfed if u ask me and to stop cry .

The thread starter wants a full package. Tanking and DPS-ing at the same time. He wants to take 0/2/3 digit-damage while he's whipping the opponent with ITDs of 30/40/50k dmg. And would still want to go dungeons and tank everything without a Healer.

Wow, seems fair enough.

Mind you, they can heal themselves too. Got a decent mp regeneration skill and hp regen too. Isnt that fantastic? HAHAHA

Before going all QQ-rage-quit-mode think for a second. Templar is a tank... Tank definition: The role of a tank is typically to survive an oncoming attack, and then ensure that they are the target of the incoming attack. It then falls upon the healer (in large scale play, often specifically assigned to the role, with spells specializing with high healing output over one or two targets) to restore the tank's health so he does not die and allow him or her to take the next attack.


You're not supposed to be a killing machine, you're supposed to be a tank. On a 4x1 you're not supposed to kill everybody, you're not even supposed to be immortal, you're just supposed to be harder to kill than other classes.

Templar were OP when the 3rd job came in, and its easy to see that when you have 1 in 5 (noob) players reclassing to templar just to kill stuff!! That alone shows how broken the class was. This update come to balance the class with all the others.

Still broken class for me

not asking for our PVP absorb back but maybe (thinking) about putting armor destruction back to the way it was and still giving us our PVE absorb back, hopefully other templars agree.

thanks

^ This is what matty requesting, not to be a killing machine. Just a difference of 7,500 phydef reduction and our PVE Absorb.

And ohh, he doesn't request for anything else.

Give him credits and constructive criticism not flame nor QQ.

Peace out ,Vm

before, in CI. I slack a lot when a templar lure mobs bc i dont have to heal them. but now, I have to. In a way, tanks can hold aggro, with dps kill the mobs, and healer heal them. mmmm, seems fair for me.

you just have to get used to it, and time will teach you how to tank properly again.

then make our earthen back to being pve. LOL.

i agreed no

lol why everyone went so gahhh no no more op tanks xD and why no one ever says anything about those inmortal healers?

wow srly we taliing for PVE absorb skil ?QQ
U now need heal , omgggggggggggggg how poor u are , u need spam at mega LF healer . LiskHard , insanes and all ,
Im so sorry for all templar , wana hug you : (


Srly we talking here for srly smexy Damage who boss ,world boss and even at pk they take , on their op HP ,Absorb and Def now .
If u are templar 85 lvl and can't Hold lisk hard or CI , pls delete ur char and don't Complain ,
Coz here u need to use bit ur brain , how need to play .

sedy said earthen was always pvp, just didnt stated that in the tooltip...

because they can't kill cloth and heavy armor user? dunno, erm....

You're a templar too. You know better. or do you want me to go in full details?

Matty said Lisk on Hard mode damages him from 2k and now to 6k. He can tank, so do I. Ofc w/a healer (pertaining to me).

And nobody is Sofka here to delete his/her character. Ohh, your Sofka....get it? LOL

Sorry.

Rinelle is a templar? o.o oh my.... xclassing to the op class of the moment ;P no wonder he is annoyed with the changes!

Not really an OP class.

Knight
Back before the 3rd-job update, tank jobs needed a boost in PvP so were given a 15% bonus to PvP damage on one of their passive skills. This is no longer necessary and has been changed back to a more PvE focussed skill.Shield Expert 2: Now grants 5/10/15% extra damage to bosses, instead of extra damage to players in PvP.Templar
The Templar skills that grant shield layers were not overwriting each other as was originally intended. This allowed the Templar to stack these effects giving a lot of shield layers, making them very hard to kill. Their damage has been reduced slightly with changes to Armor Destruction 3 and their ITD skill Righteous Stike as well as -15% PvP damage due to the change of their Knight tree passive skill being changed.Armor Destruction 3: Armor reduction decreased to -4000/-6000/-8000/-10000.
Righteous Strike: Ignore Defense reduced to 5/8/10%.
Aegis Strike: Self buff now overwrites Radiance self buff (Shield layers).
Brace: Self buff now overwrites Shield Bash self buff (Shield layers).
Protective Posture 3: Damage absorb mechanic fixes. Now grants All Damage Absorb, not PvP All Damage Absorb.
Repentance: Damage absorb mechanic fixes. Now reduces Physical Damage Absorb only, not All PvP Damage Absorb.
Holy Word Smite: Damage absorb mechanic fixes. Now reduces Magical Damage Absorb only, not All PvP Damage Absorb.

There were no changes made to the Templars defense or any of the buffs both passive and active that they have and use. The damage increase is more than likely the result of an unaccounted factor player wise, not game wise.

The reason why Temps now see to be doing less damage on their ITDs is not as a result of a meagre 5% decrease on ONE skill, it's because of the loss of 15% pvp damage, not the 5% loss from 1 ITD. The real reason why Temps aren't able to tank as much as before is very simple, the active buffs granted from Aegis, Brace etc no longer stack so they cannot total up and generate enormous defense and absorb amounts, they were broken and now they are fixed. Kinda funny as well, the Knight ITD is on a lower CD than the Templar one and does more damage nobody mentioned that one

As for Armour Destruction, meh, you can still shut people down and kill them with the damage output and cc Temps still have.

Just because the class can no longer kill 1v1 or tank stupid damage whilst killing people around them does not make the class worthless, it just shows that the people who have cried about this (no one person in particular btw, this is across the templar spectrum) do not know what the class is supposed to do, it's primary and secondary functions as well as it's intended and actual limitations. Take the time now to learn the class instead of just noob hopping to the next most 'OP' class, I'm looking at the ones who stated they were reclassing to Myrmidons because Temps are now balanced.

Oh finally, if you think Temps have been reduced to an unplayable state, think again.

Get what ?
Can u get this Pst alone is just pointles .
Or u can't get how Sarcastic i talk ?!
What ever u have in ur head , don't blame u can't get what i mean ,lmao
SO POOR !

not really?? ehm...or u just want more OP?