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I know I started this plenty of times and this is for the last time I hope!
I sent you a pm sedy explaining most of the details , here's the extended version of how the things sit in our server.It requires changes for sure. This is all about balancing the game and please take action. Let's begin...
1. Tanks classes are completely useless even with +500% Aggro , Here are the reasons. Mercenary now has constant def. ignore skill which ignores 75% of the defense, It simply takes aggro for the following reasons: Merc. hits beyond 25000 in Crystalisk , while Tanks hit bellow 5000. Example of myself : I hit 2000 , because I do not use damage gear , once and for all those who suggest me to use damage gear , damage gear is made for berserkers/gladiators/merc./barbarian... Why else there are those stamina gears? Berserkers , the same issue , I will take an example one of the best berserkers in the server currently : Steph... He hits way too much , I saw him hitting beyond 30000 on crystalisk , how can a tank keep up with that? No way even with damage gear....
2. Tanks are all about absorption : +10% Damage Absorption Potion , +15% From Chest , +6% From character , +10% from Buffs of it , +8% Tarot (Physical or either Magical) , Shield itself gives +6% Absorption , Guild +5% Rhinestone's Tears , Transformation Card Which is 21 to 24% , depending which one we/you use , Ice Bracelet from Glaceon that gives 3% Absorption to sum it up until I start putting all that together... 10+15+6+10+8+6+5+24+3= 25+16+14+29+3= 25+30+32= 25+62= 87% , When we include the RT = 89% , Including Priest buff which gives 3% absorption , that's 92%. But how come zerks and merc still hit way over 4k? Weird. My 80-90k Defense is useless anyway so I won't put that up, the issue is Christmas turkey that we aren't able to get it from anywhere , with it easily 97% Absorption , with Painted Egg (Bear) +5% Physical Absorption , there goes 102% Physical Absorption , But in 3 days I didn't get the luck to get even 1. I ran out of christmas turkey almost and It takes a lot time to farm those 24% absorption trans cards , and they are only physical anyway... So far with absorption , They should have at least 5% more in skills... Considering that turkey is impossible to get except from GM event which is done at a time when I am asleep ( Yes its my problem not anyone else's , but I honestly can't afford to pay 2.5 Million gold for each piece of christmas turkey ).
3. Since Berserkers / Gladiators / Mercenary / Scouts / Adventurers / Even Warlocks got one defense ignore skill , Tell me what's the good part of a tank class? I would love to hear everyone's honest opinion on this question...
4. Damage of Knights/Guardians is pitiful... My current attack on HeadHunter is : 5535 ~ 5608. And I even use x2 Desc for +298 All Stats , if I use full Battle Field it would drop to 5000 or even less perhaps... This is why I made this thread , to simply ask for improvement of knight/guardian , because we all know that other classes will not get nerfed , after all I've been expecting the defense ignore to be minimized , including the heal of a sage/priest which is way over 15000 , and those who *think* that only 3-4 sages/priests heal that much , Well you are totally wrong , food for priest is cheap compared to christmas turkey...
5. Evasion of Tanks is pitiful as well , Currently I have 40% Only... I am speechless about this but I do not ask for improvement anyway , because let's take an example Charmander this time , I do know his hit chance , way over 350% , How much evasion will I need so that he can actually miss? More than 400% which is impossible to get for a knight....
6. Nerfing the defense ignore characters and removing C-Glitch ( Cast Glitch for warlocks / magicians ) This will not happen ( perhaps ) because of the complainers in my eyes , imagine how much people would QQ all over the forum because they became weaker , yet I am the only tank that complains for his own weak class...
I hope this thread finally works because i wasted more than a year to get _HeadHunter_ The 120 000 HP without any buffs right now , and as someone said in the forum , when a berserker or mercenary comes at me and hits me 10 000 or more , * A slap in my face * , And when they take aggro in a dungeon , it's a * Spit after the slap *.
I expect and hope and prey with both my hands an explanation from non-other than sedy himself , Please , let's fix this once and for all ._.
-------- And I get called a noob for the simple reason that I can not kill anyone in DM/FM , That I can't hold aggro I get called * useless tank * , That I always use transformation to survive in DM/FM ( It even fails me most of the times ) I get called trash... Thanks for the kind words from all the players for judging my class , It isn't my fault that knights themselves are like this you know , nor sedy's , they were like this from the beginning. At least I do not play an over-powered class...
Laugh at me all you want at my pitiful stats , yes it's true , all I can be proud of is my 120 000 HP , And watching charmander the berserker having 100 000 HP without Battle Field Gear is a kick in my nuts. At least I admire Hase0 for having 140 000 as a Berserker without any buffs. Peace ~
I sent you a pm sedy explaining most of the details , here's the extended version of how the things sit in our server.It requires changes for sure. This is all about balancing the game and please take action. Let's begin...
1. Tanks classes are completely useless even with +500% Aggro , Here are the reasons. Mercenary now has constant def. ignore skill which ignores 75% of the defense, It simply takes aggro for the following reasons: Merc. hits beyond 25000 in Crystalisk , while Tanks hit bellow 5000. Example of myself : I hit 2000 , because I do not use damage gear , once and for all those who suggest me to use damage gear , damage gear is made for berserkers/gladiators/merc./barbarian... Why else there are those stamina gears? Berserkers , the same issue , I will take an example one of the best berserkers in the server currently : Steph... He hits way too much , I saw him hitting beyond 30000 on crystalisk , how can a tank keep up with that? No way even with damage gear....
2. Tanks are all about absorption : +10% Damage Absorption Potion , +15% From Chest , +6% From character , +10% from Buffs of it , +8% Tarot (Physical or either Magical) , Shield itself gives +6% Absorption , Guild +5% Rhinestone's Tears , Transformation Card Which is 21 to 24% , depending which one we/you use , Ice Bracelet from Glaceon that gives 3% Absorption to sum it up until I start putting all that together... 10+15+6+10+8+6+5+24+3= 25+16+14+29+3= 25+30+32= 25+62= 87% , When we include the RT = 89% , Including Priest buff which gives 3% absorption , that's 92%. But how come zerks and merc still hit way over 4k? Weird. My 80-90k Defense is useless anyway so I won't put that up, the issue is Christmas turkey that we aren't able to get it from anywhere , with it easily 97% Absorption , with Painted Egg (Bear) +5% Physical Absorption , there goes 102% Physical Absorption , But in 3 days I didn't get the luck to get even 1. I ran out of christmas turkey almost and It takes a lot time to farm those 24% absorption trans cards , and they are only physical anyway... So far with absorption , They should have at least 5% more in skills... Considering that turkey is impossible to get except from GM event which is done at a time when I am asleep ( Yes its my problem not anyone else's , but I honestly can't afford to pay 2.5 Million gold for each piece of christmas turkey ).
3. Since Berserkers / Gladiators / Mercenary / Scouts / Adventurers / Even Warlocks got one defense ignore skill , Tell me what's the good part of a tank class? I would love to hear everyone's honest opinion on this question...
4. Damage of Knights/Guardians is pitiful... My current attack on HeadHunter is : 5535 ~ 5608. And I even use x2 Desc for +298 All Stats , if I use full Battle Field it would drop to 5000 or even less perhaps... This is why I made this thread , to simply ask for improvement of knight/guardian , because we all know that other classes will not get nerfed , after all I've been expecting the defense ignore to be minimized , including the heal of a sage/priest which is way over 15000 , and those who *think* that only 3-4 sages/priests heal that much , Well you are totally wrong , food for priest is cheap compared to christmas turkey...
5. Evasion of Tanks is pitiful as well , Currently I have 40% Only... I am speechless about this but I do not ask for improvement anyway , because let's take an example Charmander this time , I do know his hit chance , way over 350% , How much evasion will I need so that he can actually miss? More than 400% which is impossible to get for a knight....
6. Nerfing the defense ignore characters and removing C-Glitch ( Cast Glitch for warlocks / magicians ) This will not happen ( perhaps ) because of the complainers in my eyes , imagine how much people would QQ all over the forum because they became weaker , yet I am the only tank that complains for his own weak class...
I hope this thread finally works because i wasted more than a year to get _HeadHunter_ The 120 000 HP without any buffs right now , and as someone said in the forum , when a berserker or mercenary comes at me and hits me 10 000 or more , * A slap in my face * , And when they take aggro in a dungeon , it's a * Spit after the slap *.
I expect and hope and prey with both my hands an explanation from non-other than sedy himself , Please , let's fix this once and for all ._.
-------- And I get called a noob for the simple reason that I can not kill anyone in DM/FM , That I can't hold aggro I get called * useless tank * , That I always use transformation to survive in DM/FM ( It even fails me most of the times ) I get called trash... Thanks for the kind words from all the players for judging my class , It isn't my fault that knights themselves are like this you know , nor sedy's , they were like this from the beginning. At least I do not play an over-powered class...
Laugh at me all you want at my pitiful stats , yes it's true , all I can be proud of is my 120 000 HP , And watching charmander the berserker having 100 000 HP without Battle Field Gear is a kick in my nuts. At least I admire Hase0 for having 140 000 as a Berserker without any buffs. Peace ~
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So I do agree with Boston here, yes, when the ABS cards were removed, it did give MGN and WL better chances to kill 2 handers, why? because the magic damage increased (for proof, i had duel J4ck4ss before when we still had the ABS cards, i damage him around 3-3.5k with full buffs, but when the abs were removed, i damage him like 4.4k-5k) but it does not change the fact that serkers/glads can easily kill MGN and WL, I dueled some serkers before who tried their damage on me, for example Tezuka, he only needs 3 skills to kill my mage.
regards to aggro problems of HH, if BostonCream can hold the aggro in lisk, why are you having problems then?
I've battled boston in DM FM, and yes, it's hard for him to kill and at the same time, it's hard to kill him as well (takes time though) i think you QQ'ed about DM/FM because all you do is trans as treakan and stand while everyone is battling. Oh wait, one exemption you did kill me once in DM! Yeah! it was when 2 serkers came on me then when i got to portal you last hit me with 2% life o_o
Again, with the Gcast thing, remove it and it's Zerker's Online
Changes in the game arent always good, but as Boston said. You must deal with it. We must deal with it, what Sedy and Gala do is for the good of the whole game. So yeah, DEAL WITH IT. -
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Finally someone that didn't rage at me , thank you BostonCream , and Boston... Let's make a test shall we? I will take my guild along with you in Crystalisk... I will let you duel my guild members , if you survive for more than 12 seconds I will reconsider about mercenary and berserkers. You said that sedy is working on the defense ignore , then how come he made mercenary's defense ignore skill constantly? 75% defense ignore constantly... I assume you didn't know that so far... C-Glitch , indeed cause not *everyone* can do it is unfair , some players lag , got old PC's and further more things... And believe me a warlock is way more over-powered than a zerk or mercernary , come on look at magicians , If they hit 3000 , when they glitch 7 skills , do the math this time on your own... And after 4 seconds _Repeat_ , when we include the : 1000 DOT , include the 2 stuns , Nirenia trans , we basically can NOT even hit them , especially knight... With little hit chance even worse, if the tank isn't pure heal what's the point of being a tank? And how can a berserker/mercenary have more HP then a tank?! What's the purpose of a shield user if a berserker/mercenary can evasion/health/absorb tank crystalisk 10 times faster , well dungeons are even soloable so no comment on that part ; )
Boston , let us meet in game whenever you are free , I would request you to try holding aggro against a berserker I choose and against a mercenary I choose as well. Let's see who is right then , about FM/DM.... I know perfectly how *useful* we both are bro... Don't try to cheer me up or anything , ain't working. I don't have the money to donate so I can buy christmas turkey nor any of those expensive absorption buffs just so I can win a match , and we knights depend on our team mates , that's the reason I get called trash cause I am useless there : ) Look at this : If Charmander and Gible -
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Just information - Charmander can reach 100 k hp with full food , buff from healar's and elixir from alchemyst . + Using stamina gears so he lost a bit damage . if i can reach 17700 attak at Dm/Fm with full pots , elxir , buffs , food he ill get - 1 k attak then myn . All coming how u play and can use ur items and stuff , All we know about skill's Zerg have big cd for the ignore skil's so now im going to wait the moment when all start QQ about merchanary and his permanent itd . cd 5 sec ,
And u need deal with it . Tank are not killer , tank is hard for kill . Tank are debuffer u just need learn ur skill not only trans skill LMAO !
Ps: u looking for ppl who got a all stat V , not many in this server lmao so stop rage ! now with VI can reach and more ZERG speaciality . cuz ik and some one who using many V and VI card so he have HP and atak both , jealous i want to :X -
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I am seriously offended how you two THINK that a knight can hold aggro. Let's make this clear to all the players , cause as it seems you either do crystalisk with some pitiful damagers, or I have no idea.
The only way to hold aggro is NOT to have a mercenary in team nor a berserker that hits more than 28000.
Warlocks/Magicians/Barbarians/Scouts/Adventurers and all the other classes can NOT take the aggro from a knight.
The fact that mercenary has constant 75% Defense ignore which can last for even 10 minutes till crystalisk dies , imagine the mercenary with 85% Attack speed as my guild mate , hitting 30000 constantly , Boston dude... Come and keep aggro from him when the server is online , I dare you to.I do NOT have the nerves OR time to sit 20 minutes , get crystalisk to 5% and reflect him when he zerks , cause that's what happens when you take low damage/HP players... They keep dying and dying , healer needs to be good in HP , and here's the other way to hold aggro. Get a scout / adventurer to debuff crystalisk - Defense Decrease , but this didn't work either : Why? - Simple , if knights hit higher then , so will all the other melee classes such as mercenary , berserkers. The top player currently is a mercenary who hits me 9000 with 92% absorption... He has way over 200% hit chance ( Could be above 300% ) , And it doesn't matter if he has all stats , because look... If they have full Power/Physical attack cards , that would be the same thing , hitting again 9000 while I have 92% Abs. Boston you honestly never did crystalisk with a party where all the players are considered *Pro*.... Regarding DM/FM/PVP/PK , Face it , knights are useless and as it seems they always will be , if they want to survive for 5 seconds more , use trans card. Even if they have then defense ignore skills , with the trans they wont be able to use it.... I'm speechless.
Side Note : How many adventurers / scouts you know that can survive in crystalisk? I know like 3 where 2 of them aren't even playing anymore and wouldn't do crystalisk. Again Why? : They have 2 or 3 defense ignore skills, they got nothing else. Evasion? Great , berserker, mercenary got 350%+ Hit chance.
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Sorry i really hate to say this but HH, can you please type in paragraphs? It makes it hard to read what you are trying to post. Sorry.
Anyway back to your topic about tanks.
Tank are not exactly that useless at all in this game. Well you can't deny the fact that tanks are made more for PvE here rather than PvP since they lack the dps skills and as their name suggest they are just "tanks" meaning to say, they just survive rather than kill.
I'm not exactly sure what changes you want to see made to the knight/ guardian class. They are pretty fine right now imo. just citing an example, November [Magician] couldn't steal aggro from Tia [Knight] in Lisk even though he was glitch casting like mad. Also, iirc i have went to lisk with you once before, you held aggro just fine, so why that rage over aggro management?
Well, if you really do have aggro management why don't you try using tin soldier card from CV or ask your team members not to damage lisk for the first 5% so that you can build up sufficient aggro before they dps.
Well, i really have to say, tanks are not all about absorption unless you are talking about warlocks really. There are many alternative builds other than the absorption build why don't you just try out some other builds yourself mm? Absorptions are more for warlocks if i have to say. Also, you tank the damage, you don't evade the damage. #justsaying
Magicians does not have ignore defense skill and we're doing just fine. If you wanna talk about the stun. You got stun too, so...
Well, look on the bright side, you don't kill anyone in DM/FM you rarely die either since most doesn't bother wasting time to hit a knight.
Don't be bothered by those people who calls you trash or whatever, just play the way you want and don't let them influence you. You got to deal with the fact that you chosen to be a tank and a tank can never kill anyone as well as a DPS class because the main purpose they serve in the game is to "tank".
Regards, Natsukii
P.S. is the server still down -.- -
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Pure , with full buffs I can reach 145000 HP ( If I use the donator's private seat spread - 155000 ) But that would limit my absorption and berserkers will start hitting 10000+ , Same as mercenary... They are hard to kill? No they aren't... I am more amused about their aggro then the 1 on 1 , DM/FM stuff , cause I already got over it , knight will be useless there now , later on and forever... You say they can debuff? Wow tell me what they can debuff... Cause I am curious if its useful. Here we go again , it's so insane ~ lalala Speechless. -
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Get a scout / adventurer to debuff crystalisk - Defense Decrease , but this didn't work either : Why? - Simple , if knights hit higher then , so will all the other melee classes such as mercenary , berserkers.
Since they already ignore the defense of crystalisk, i dont see how reducing lisk's defense will affect them. -
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Face it , knights are useless and as it seems they always will be , if they want to survive for 5 seconds more , use trans card. Even if they have then defense ignore skills , with the trans they wont be able to use it.... I'm speechless.
Why don't you job change to a DPS class then. I really don't see your point in this thread -
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Natsu my darling , Boston dear... Once server is up Let's go to crystalisk , I hope sedy can tag along to see the current situation , I used every single aggro , dps gear and so on to TRY to maintain aggro but I failed... Tia's build is just damage but the difference isn't big between my damage and his.
I am not talking about magicians , nor warlocks nor any other class then Mercenary , Berserkers... Read carefully next time what I am saying please! I was maintaining aggro for the following reasons : We did NOT have a good berserker nor a good mercenary just because they will take aggro... Which made the crystalisk run 19 minutes , glad it didn't go berserk >
Natsu , can you afford to get all stats IV/V/VI in 3 sets? Before trying to solve the problem with giving advice , think the outcome... I can afford IV's for more than 5 sets , no prob. But that's not the point because HP will go down , evasion will remain low , damage will go up from 2000 on crystalisk to 4000 in the best scenario, which is again low. I am going to get FULL dps set just so I can prove you wrong to every single player , you never even played a knight , you never even tanked crystalisk while there are pro players there as Damagers and you keep talking nonsense... As I said " I WILL " prove you that you are both wrong.
PS: Server still off as it seems... -.- -
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Glad that someone finally understands my pain : BostonCream.
Dude , I played knight for more than a year already ( Guardian too ) so I know every single thing about those two classes they face....
I hate the fact that a knight/guardian has to actually RUN from everyone so that he doesn't die. Let's take an example anime... I don't recall a knight/guardian RUNNING from his enemy now do they? If so please show me the video... It's laughable. And boston , you do know that if we swap to another trans other than treekan or any physical absorption card , it will be gone once we use the new different one ( The absorption will be gone from the trans )... Which will simply lure the zerks/merc. to attack us. 21% Physical Absorption is what I am betting my life on... Without that I die 6 skills exactly , and again.... I doubt any tank can waste 50 Christmas turkeys per day for FM/DM/Crystalisk , and once you die you lose that buff.
Side Note : I will count how much % Aggro I have once server is up and let all of you know. Easy solution : More -% aggro on all the dps classes , why do they even need aggro? Let the tanks TANK for god's sake... Cause they are worthless for everything else... -
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Okay so, why don't you propose the changes you want to see on knight/ guardians or whatever class. and support it with valid reasoning.
Because throughout the entire thread all i see is complaints after complaints about this and that.
Well i don't see a point replying anymore since i had already said what i wanted to, good luck with the changes.
Regards, Natsukii -
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First of all I was waiting for sedy's reply before I note all the changes that are necessary... I want his opinion on knights , and if possible to test that out with non-other then me and Boston , once that is done me and boston together will think for a solution , I already know what changes are necessary.
Boston bro , those debuffs are useless , Imobilize : Players can still hit you , you can't hit from range nor imobilize them from range , speed -45% , useless since you can even use the 100% Instant cast mount , do I always have to explain everything in detail? It's close to the brain really... If a player has 300% Evasion as a mercenary I know , -100 evasion which is 10% , It sure will help! Not. - Physical attack bla bla , all the debuffs are useless , my work for now here is done.
Side Note : It's not that knights/guardians are useless , it's just that other classes are over-powered , Ahaha the truth hurts and everyone will deny it as they care so much for their class , but so do I. -
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What the heck is this post turning into. -.-
Off topic Question: Have you guys ever tried to steal a world boss?
It happened alot with ulric, and you think we get zerks/merc/WL or MGN to steal the aggro for us?! NO!
We get Tia(Knight), you know why? because its his JOB. (got reported for it. lol)
If you wanted to pk why didnt you get zerk/mec/scout/advent? you wanted to learn Gcast or PK using Gcast? then make a WL/MGN, they are called "TANK" class for a reason. They are made for a certain purpose.
Okay, about the 100K+ life thing, Sure some Zerks can reach that with food and other items, but do you think the damage is still the same? Its a matter of opportunity cost, big life=less dmge, big dmge=less life. what ever you want is your business.
I support HH for trying to improve Knight/Guardians, adding a bit more aggro would be nice. But trying to make its damge better would be fail since they are supposed tank and support in DM/FM (if they use the stun, immo, skills they have) -
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Reply to vlueray:
First of thanks a lot for supporting me , it means a lot to me!
Next of, I never asked for damage , I am fine with the damage I have now , I do not need it either.
I already told you this haven't I? A berserker named Charmander , without Battle Field gear , he hits 20k on players in battle field while having 100 000 HP , I even saw him with 110 000 when he was buffed. Is that normal? Hitting 20 000 Above and having that HP? And it's not like that vlueray
Damage classes have more than 80 000 HP with all stats IV/V/VI. Without using any battle field gear pieces.... Want a proof? Once we get in game I will show you my HP without using battle field items , without using shield/1H sword. Will be above 100 000 again , same as a zerk's HP with all stats V.
For those that tell me : It's team work and so on , true , whenever there's an immortal healer in the other side , a dps hitting 20k+ on players... Game is done , cause remember... Not everyone is geared up in DM/FM , Everyone can support me on this > There are players with just 20 000 - 40 000 HP That die 2 hits , the damager will simply keep killing them for more kills , which will lead to a WIN in DM. Then it doesn't matter how much absorption , how much health , how much evasion a knight/guardian has , it will still be ignored and he will still lose cause of the team mates dying. Face it D:<
Sedy , I read all yours posts in every section and in one of them you said this : I do not care if this class can kill another one or this class sucks against this class. Basically put the game isn't all about dungeons , I soloed ToA with dual client... Should I make a video to prove that? I can do the same with LI / DI. Since it's all about dungeons as you say and gearing up , why the hell dungeons are so easy? Crystalisk will hit me exactly 0 once the guild gets to 44... Currently it hits only 300 , the problem is that I barely got any food left to do that and I honestly can't afford waisting tears/moolah for christmas turkey... I depend on that item pretty much in almost every dungeon so yeah... xD
Boston , if you have skype / facebook add me up , I want to discuss some things with you regarding NS Iris balance and further more matters.
Skype : eros.karadzhov
Facebook : Eros Evgeniev Karadzhov
Waiting for a friend request :3 -
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Boston's words :
You're just pessimistic bout our class. Just try to play DM/FM by not using treekan and foods, which what i am doing.
My reply : Without treekan I wonder how much a mercenary , berserker and warlocks hit on you , you simply die before even debuffing someone. I give you 5 seconds at most to survive , stun , 3 defense ignore skills , dead. I speak from experience ; ) The excuse * You can use so many trans cards * , remember that other players can use them too.
Absorption potions 50% : They can NOT be used since you use the 10% Damage absorption ones for 30 minutes... That's just a lame excuse to make me shut up or so it seems to me... Nirenia Transformation card immortality lasts for 3-5 seconds , mercenary has constant defense ignore , if they keep hitting after that -> Dead , Berserker can reset skills and go on a rampage again -> Dead , Warlock can keep hitting for 20 seconds till I die -> Dead.
Team work : Use a healer so you don't die , it's all about team work! I would say bad words now but I wont , I will explain this clearly so everyone can face the *reality*. How many healers we know that can survive 2 berserkers on a rampage? Even one. I know 3. Yasu/Gible/Xea , where 2 of them aren't that skilled to survive more than a single berserker. Which team member shoudl they heal first? The tank? The damagers? Or themselves , in the end all of them will die if they end up against a berserker or mercenary with all stats... I clearly saw with my own two eyes how a mercenary soloed whole DM against 7 people... Including zerks , healer , warlock and magician , they just failed to even scratch him , well I got nothing else to say about this , for all I know is that I was running for my life cause I didn't want to waste food just so that I do not die , instead I reloged. -
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That example you have of "Team Work" is not an example of Team Work at all. You basically had the healer solo.
An example of teamwork would be: So lets put a sage in the situation first. If a zerk comes at you, its gonna aoe. COMMON SENSE SAYS, move? Why are you standing there close to your teammates in the first place? Keep your goddam distance, its that simple. If the zerk aoes you where theres noone around, that means the dmg is going on you which means your team is not getting hit, which means they can slowly take the op zerk down while you take care of yourself.
Now lets put a priest. Spam stun on the zerk, run like hell. Easy.
Now lets get a merc at you. Yeaaaaa I got nothin. I'll take 10 zerks on me over ONE merc, any day of the week. I think Sedy is trolling?
Btw, if you're saving food, relogging only helps if you're logging into an alt after. Logging into the same acc with the foods, hi, thats still wasting it.
Iris is an easy game, why do you make it sound so hard. -
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That's *IF* we tanks got other chars , I myself got plenty but none of them are geared up to the point where I can have fun with them doing dungeons , except for the 1 magician which I am borrowing from a friend.
Common sense : To run , is that how a knight should be? Wait let me get this straight , I can simply run no problem , but will the other players run? How can I be sure that other players will keep the distance , most of them rush thinking that they can kill the other player cause they are 3 on 1 , Not.... Not everyone is as good as you Luci , we both know it
Berserkers and mercenaries just ignore the knight until all other players are dead , once they clear that my tight hole gets banged 5 on 1 , good luck surviving that unless I spam 30% potions which I will not do.
Still waiting for the server to be on so I can show a prove how much knights are useless when it comes to tanking , but I just thought of something... Even if their aggro is increased the fact that a berserker can tank crystalisk faster and better wont change... Not only crystalisk though , every dungeon in game , making tanks useless. To solve this problem there should be plenty of changes, for the good of the server I wont say what changes are needed , as complainers will strike again at me raging , just enjoy your over-powered class and be happy. After all happiness of one person is causing unhappiness to another Now I realize how bad scouts and adventurers really became though...
Thanks luci for not making fun of me this time and for understanding , hope it's like this for the future... In any case I just want your answer on the following question : Do knight/guardians need an improvement ? What do you think? Thanks in advance for reply if there is one ;3 -
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There's no end to this topic. If you think you choose the right class then be proud of it. If not satisfied go and make a dps / killer class very simple huh? Every character has pros and cons no class is perfect. Dont get too attached to it just enjoy the game.
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HeadHunter or aka HeadBIgger stop complaim about every tinny thing , u want a killer go zerk , u want a cast user go wl/mage, u know what means the word "TANK"? i guess u not, nvm, anyways if u want tanker get moe atack go ask for itd 30 sec skills also LOL ,
PS: u need attention badly , go reality show , thats for u thats u want thats ur life THATS HEADHUNTER -
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Who are you to speak as you know me , anyway I'll report your speech to someone that will take good care of you Did I offend you or anyone? Why you talk to me like that? I'll find that out later on anyway.
Are you a tank to speak from experience? I complain about my class that is nerfed , got a problem with that? Make a thread on your own and complain for your own class , don't bother wasting your time posting here just because you hate me in game.
Hope we meet in Nightfall shelter dear player. I will teach you some manners there : ) -
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Tanks had enough buffs already, they are basically not the easiest people to kill especially by non-ignore def users. So I'm sorry to say I don't support any further buffs to them.
We (tanks, Ranged-dps, mail-users) all have a common problem here, our defense is useless against ignore def spammers and our DPS is not enough to kill anyone well geared and is being healed by healers or POTS. Running, using trans, potting, foods, blah blah is not a good argument to "survive" ignore def users because everyone can use them, including ignore-def users themselves. We all use the same procedure to survive except ignore def users will still have their ignore def skills.
I realized tweaking classes may not be the only way to bring balance in iris, for sometimes they only really hurt non-ignore def users even more. (e.g. healer's additional defense buffs basically turns anyone immortal to non-ignore def users not to mention the new seal that gives defense, made people even more untouchable by non-ignore def classes) But its too late to undo those now. What's best discussed is what are the good things to add to non-ignore def users so they can be even near what zerks/mercs can potentially do.
The only way I see fit to resolve any of the balance issues in iris is for new gears to come in with adjusted stats to compensate w/e non-ignore def users need. And please, don't put them in the moolah vendor. -
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Who are you to speak as you know me , anyway I'll report your speech to someone that will take good care of you
Did I offend you or anyone? Why you talk to me like that? I'll find that out later on anyway.
Are you a tank to speak from experience? I complain about my class that is nerfed , got a problem with that? Make a thread on your own and complain for your own class , don't bother wasting your time posting here just because you hate me in game.
Hope we meet in Nightfall shelter dear player. I will teach you some manners there : )
What what are u got mad HH > Ur the one who caling ppl dumb and now u got upsed . hahahaah .
And yes u have damn debuff . not only what boston said , knight , guardian is awailyble to debuff all phy buff , this mean u gona remove me like 1k attak . wich is not less , but where u know Treekan boy . Have fun with ur t-card learn how to play , Get it - tank can't kill zerg , U have to run to survive . Oh no u going with rare food in DM/FM so poor . And if u still not get it tank can help allot in FM , DM u are so useless cuz all see u not know what are is TEAM PLAY ! -
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Thanks for supporting my thread fellow player...
Now what I just did in FM. Priest , mercenary , barbarian against me and a sage + warlock , Guess who won.
I requested to donate for battle field points because I keep losing and losing as a knight. Those who tell me to make a new character , I wont. I rather QUIT game then waste another $150 for a new character.
What can be done for the non defense ignore players : Simple, add a def ignore buff to them as well , let the sages suffer then , No? The best solution is this : Knights/Guardians : 50-100% attack speed PERMANENTLY. Give DOT skills as any other character , they are the only type of class that can not interrupt a god damn healer from raising or sealing flag.
About scouts/adventurers , never been one so those who are one please STAND UP and speak for yourselves , otherwise NOTHING will change... Those who badmouth us , let them trash talk all they want.
Do I always have to rage so some action is taken... When I keep calm I never get a reply from anybody just from my friends... If no action is going to be taken for knights/guardians , please say so sedy so I can give up. -
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See what u talking urself lmao , u want ITD and u said u can reach 150 k HP +90 k phy def , thats mean like 60 k mag def ,.
All joke's about Zerg online or Heala 'r online , for sure now is Merchaanry online .
Now we got plennty merchanary new characters cuz to be merchanary now is super hit , and cool . but u want to change Tank online , rofi lmao . Lets all give up , This
game has a skil's has a items , has pots and allot stuff , Idk why we need Any change , Agree we need to fix the skils for zerg's , All other are fine . SO learn to play , and stop cry ! -
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Pure leave my thread , you are the one that has to learn to play , you died from a warlock in DM 1 on 1 while using 30% and 20% HP potions , your suggestion is INVALID. Take your own suggestion for yourself ; ) Without a trans wanna know how much you will hit me? You know the answer already. So please shut the hell up. I am the one that played tank for a year , you never even been a knight. SO SHUT IT. -
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Pandora = good guild in Noscrubs/iris online .
First it's ur post right . But it's here on noscrubs forum so u not have the option to said who to shut up and who's not .
Second - if u want listen ill can get it . More then 10 ppl told u what can do tank , and is not uselles , the useles here is just u .
In last Tank have nothing alot to do in Dm cuz ur place is at Lisk , and all other Dung who need tank . And don't tell me i can't hold agro cuz is only just ur foult .
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