Seriously Soul Blader Over Power... That makes me laugh... "for those whos saying SB is OP cuz of reflect and some immunity buffs dude thats all we got and it last long for only 25secs after that we're nothing but a DUAL SWORD USER NERFED WEAKLING..... we don't have OVER POWER DAMAGE LIKE Vanquisher/Wizard/Sorcerer/Windwalker etc. that can 1 or 2 hits someone with 30K to 60K damage and to make it clear Soul Blader Doesn't have Renewed skill and the Cool down of our Reflect is 2 minutes and before you can activate it u need another skill and one more thing some of debuffing skill of other class like example Vanquisher Dispell can remove it so in short saying that soulblader is Over power cuz of reflect thats a big stupid thing. ( If You can't beat me "Ex" on PVP that doesn't mean Soul blader is OP try to be specific not basing it on one full donator character and beside who else can be like me as a soulblader??? )

-Ex-

Vote Sorc for president )

I think it's too early for this.

1) a lot of people who don't have a few hours to spare each day aren't 85 yet
2) the skills keep changing, can't comment until it is at least somewhat stable
3) people need time to figure out and incorporate their new skills and get used to hotkeys.. combos don't appear overnight

that being said, the classes being voted for, are the ones actually attending bf.

My friend just told me about Soul Blader's skills and I think its gonna be the most op. 60% reflect for 25s? lol 70% hit debuff, 70% eva debuff, 40% heal debuff. Stun/immo immunity, I heard also a lot of silence, high attack speed, abs/def ignore. Poor mail classes gonna die so fast against SB lmao.
And I heard that one soul blader deals 24k dmg on a templar while I can like 12k.

I know you are not interested in duels but in duel SB can kill me before even silence gone so I can't do anything.

i dont really care wat class is OP or not its just how we all play, others QQ of different classes cus they rather play other type of classes which brings down to even more QQ, as for me i've tried all classes and they all r good just depends on how u play it. and like Sedy said above, all classes have its own Nemesis~~

Soulbladers are only op for a few seconds, all our attacks and buffs have very long cooldowns, in a dual yeah sure we smash anyone but in PVP we are only good 1v1 and we have to end it quick or we are screwed, our eva and hit chance buffs have 1min CD the basic buff to then active those has a 25sec CD so yes we arw strong but like zerks used to be only for a very short period of time, we have to be fast and use our skills well to kill a person

Sorcerer's sleep skill made melee classes look dumb. Just saying...

i WOULD HAVE to agree with Luxray on this one ( Ryan)

Wizards are just extremelly to Over Powered. Stuns are too long, and Cd too short ..... Just my opinion

Overview: Wizards and SB are way OP, might want to test them again . Vanquisher and Shadow walker had been nerfed... just LOOK AT THE POPULATION OF ZERKS AND ADVENTURERS BEFORE, and look at it NOW

Thank you for reading (:

@ Wadi hey man, most of the SB players will be annoyed at this, but you do know there are trans to remove eva right? and their are trans to up your hitchance, but also from what i have seen in the new imbued armor you guys get alot more hitchance from your armor. *just saying* yeah eva SB suck but also we dont cause much damage, with us its 2 choices eva or damage, we can have both but then both suffer, like advents we now need to rely on buffs to not get owned lol

First of all, most of these classes dont even go inside BF -_- In my past days of even going BF I only see. Vanq, Sorc, Wiz and the occasional Wind Walker and Assassin.

Hardly any amount of data.~

i'd have to say Wizard is the move over powered class of the 3rd jobs

that void used with a good gcaster can nearly destroy anyone

but as for melee, not sure if Sniper or Sharp Shooter come after Scout, whichever one it is is very strong

but any reckless melee can easily kill themselves against a Champions reflect

I've seen no SB in BFs yet, what about you folks?

Remember, the -hit debuff requires a certain build, as a non eva built SB I don't use it, I CAN'T afford the SP points to place into that tree and have my other skills, there's also no point cus my eva is shit lol. I can't comment further on this aspect of the SB because as I said in my SB thread, I have 0 experience playing as an Eva Merc/SB and limited experience VS them because I've only ever faced a handful of Mercs in all the BFs I've been in and the 2 that used evasion are Ex and Angel3.

The reflect % is too high, I agree on that, a 10-15% reduction would be appropriate at this juncture. The duration and cooldown are fine, CD has had 1 min shaved off from it's Merc predecessor but it's also had 5 secs shaved off of it's run-time.

As for silences, we have 3 silences. 1 is on a 36 sec CD and it has a 3 second run time, the second again runs for 3 secs on a 7 second CD but requires SB: Assemble be in effect. The final silence has a .1 sec duration and can only really interrupt, it's on a 6 sec CD and is ranged. Zerks > Vanqs have a similar setup in terms of debuffs but your CDs are longer to reflect the nature of the debuffs + the fact you have a reset skill.

i think wind walker need a buff or something. just not op like other class

and that aura on wind walker only max lvl 9% attack speed. kinda weak. wind walker its not that fast attack idk why.

i think Vanquisher are the most OP class, recently playing in level 85 BF noticing that vanquisher can use physical and magic ITD but using the magic ITD i get hit 5 times and each time is 20k in a matter of 3-4 seconds and im a templar..... with some of the ITD of vanquisher i get 50-60k in a single physical hit. and injectors are useless in BF or PK since they can kill you in seconds with either skill type.

LOL this thread become long. Just want hav fun, i dont care about pvp, coz play for dungeon and daily (pve), so no comment ;p

as for my opinion, in terms of def, its the templar/knights that are OP... they can stand out against 3 serkers/gladi... in terms of offence its the sorc/wizard due to their itd, sleep and stun... in terms of reflects, the hell with the SB, WW... one time bigshot for us serkers. why is that in all melee clas we serks and gladi doesnt have reflect....

The point of this post is for me to get players opinions, problem with that?

ahahhaha wtf?

atk speed bonus has cap at 80% anyway, and since ur class depends on dishing out only some fatal hits, i don't really see the need of having too much atk speed

was asking in a good mood lol

we all know its sorc

whats the point of this post?

the change is done 40% reflect is on. and im still ownage first time try out on DM i got 13-1 score. after 3 weeks not going BF and i still owned it without reflect! so stop QQ. and @wadi bish please damage is the most matter in PVP no matter how good is your hit chance evasion or HP aslong you have High damage you can kill anyone and without it i still own anyone in my path. so no more QQ you got what you wish for nerfed reflect. -nerfing it doesn't help you or anyone to survive on me at all. all it did was you just make SB defenseless and easy to kill for your class but rather than that nothing change. -good luck for those SB who can't afford to donate-

just add to it... your damage is like us vanquisher, chaosz can cause 18-19k dmge on me so c'mon

18-19k each so thats nearly 40k....

Lolz don't try to argue about damage. cuz you won't win either way cuz sedy already see the different between other DPS class. Soulblader/Myrmidon is the lowest damage DPS its look hight cuz of the attack speed but we're talking about 1 hit per skill and theres no skill on Soulblader or Myrmidon can do 40K+ damage in 1 hit so stop ur arguement cuz its nonsense and you know to your self vanquisher can still damage 40K+ to 60K+ in 1 hit and bout that 18K damage you're talking about on your Soulblader named "Chaoz" that was critical already thats not regular base damage ok if you gonna argue about me don't try cuz simple medusa strike you din't know about it you asked about it to me so in short i have more knowledge on you when it comes on Soulblader and beside i know the capacity of Soulblader since i've try so many build and not just regular build i build using moolah shit aight. just stop comparing damage. all good. and don't even try to make conversation cuz no one will listen to you.

Too long stun and cd too short? What about wind walker and 20s stun, 35s cd and ailemnt or lizard doesnt work haha.

There are lots of ways to counter wizard's stuns. + our itd is chain. one we've been silenced before casting itds. chain itd is broken already.

Really idk why ppl say that wizard is op but ok whatever haha wizard is op thats why some wizards already changed class to sorc

^HAHAHHAHAHA THAT. Sleep + eye of the storm. GG. HAHAHAHAA Kira hits 54k to zane. 1 hit

Haven't i think the comments were based on duels only

Not winged SB killed me in BF easy. Like 4 secs and 120k of my hp gone.
In my opinion SB is like adventurer with high dmg since I miss on them more than on adventurers.

I've been in a few DM's, I rarely get into one as there aren't enough people entering at lvl 85. Either that or the server is trolling me when I try to enter ;/

I dunno how a non-winged SB could knock out 120k HP in 4 secs with the skills we have, if the SB was well geared then yea I can see a higher damage output but that's from spikes only. If a SB builds themselves as an Eva build then I totally can see them being hard to hit due to the effects of 2 skills in particular but that is a lot of SP they'd be devoting to that particular route and they would lose out elsewhere as a consequence.

If you are right in your assumption Aqua then the people who voted not only for SB but for the other classes too should change their vote(s) as Sedy asked for only BF experience, not duels... That's not aimed at you Wadi as you already stated it was from BF experience.

SB's arent OP folks, the style of play has just changed.

Aren't op... I can't hit SB for 25s coz reflect, then they can debuff my hit and I will miss miss miss anyway they will kill me in this time anyway lol and silences sigh.

Yeah. It's always about PvP where you can use everything. Not duels. Actually, I once clashed with a winged SB was against Moonst. But didnt see how SB skills were since he was on whippa trans the whole BoA and spamming that -4k DoT lol

Most of the Merc/SB use eva build and with that hit chance debuff I miss more than on adventurer what for me is funny with 380% hit missing on heavy class.
Duration on reflect is fine? So i have to wait 25s till I can attack SB? Then SB can use injector so 8s more waiting then nirenia so 5s, silence me so again waiting. Can I survive while this time? Maybe if I will waste tons of pots.

It's already been said by me that the 20s stun of Wind Walker is a mistake and would be fixed in the next update. The two traps they have are round the wrong way. It will be 5s stun from Snap and a slow whilst in the vicinity of Snare.

They don't have 70% hit or eva debuffs, they have fixed amount of -700 Physical Hit from Subdue and -650 Physical Evasion from Tempest Slice and currently a lot of SB don't even have Subdue due to lack of SP.

That reflect will be reduced for sure though, it's way too high. Probably to 30/40%.

You can check all their skills at the trainer for the exact amounts.