LOL this thread become long. Just want hav fun, i dont care about pvp, coz play for dungeon and daily (pve), so no comment ;p

as for my opinion, in terms of def, its the templar/knights that are OP... they can stand out against 3 serkers/gladi... in terms of offence its the sorc/wizard due to their itd, sleep and stun... in terms of reflects, the hell with the SB, WW... one time bigshot for us serkers. why is that in all melee clas we serks and gladi doesnt have reflect....

The point of this post is for me to get players opinions, problem with that?

ahahhaha wtf?

atk speed bonus has cap at 80% anyway, and since ur class depends on dishing out only some fatal hits, i don't really see the need of having too much atk speed

was asking in a good mood lol

we all know its sorc

whats the point of this post?

the change is done 40% reflect is on. and im still ownage first time try out on DM i got 13-1 score. after 3 weeks not going BF and i still owned it without reflect! so stop QQ. and @wadi bish please damage is the most matter in PVP no matter how good is your hit chance evasion or HP aslong you have High damage you can kill anyone and without it i still own anyone in my path. so no more QQ you got what you wish for nerfed reflect. -nerfing it doesn't help you or anyone to survive on me at all. all it did was you just make SB defenseless and easy to kill for your class but rather than that nothing change. -good luck for those SB who can't afford to donate-

just add to it... your damage is like us vanquisher, chaosz can cause 18-19k dmge on me so c'mon

18-19k each so thats nearly 40k....

Lolz don't try to argue about damage. cuz you won't win either way cuz sedy already see the different between other DPS class. Soulblader/Myrmidon is the lowest damage DPS its look hight cuz of the attack speed but we're talking about 1 hit per skill and theres no skill on Soulblader or Myrmidon can do 40K+ damage in 1 hit so stop ur arguement cuz its nonsense and you know to your self vanquisher can still damage 40K+ to 60K+ in 1 hit and bout that 18K damage you're talking about on your Soulblader named "Chaoz" that was critical already thats not regular base damage ok if you gonna argue about me don't try cuz simple medusa strike you din't know about it you asked about it to me so in short i have more knowledge on you when it comes on Soulblader and beside i know the capacity of Soulblader since i've try so many build and not just regular build i build using moolah shit aight. just stop comparing damage. all good. and don't even try to make conversation cuz no one will listen to you.

Too long stun and cd too short? What about wind walker and 20s stun, 35s cd and ailemnt or lizard doesnt work haha.

There are lots of ways to counter wizard's stuns. + our itd is chain. one we've been silenced before casting itds. chain itd is broken already.

Really idk why ppl say that wizard is op but ok whatever haha wizard is op thats why some wizards already changed class to sorc

^HAHAHHAHAHA THAT. Sleep + eye of the storm. GG. HAHAHAHAA Kira hits 54k to zane. 1 hit

Haven't i think the comments were based on duels only

Not winged SB killed me in BF easy. Like 4 secs and 120k of my hp gone.
In my opinion SB is like adventurer with high dmg since I miss on them more than on adventurers.

I've been in a few DM's, I rarely get into one as there aren't enough people entering at lvl 85. Either that or the server is trolling me when I try to enter ;/

I dunno how a non-winged SB could knock out 120k HP in 4 secs with the skills we have, if the SB was well geared then yea I can see a higher damage output but that's from spikes only. If a SB builds themselves as an Eva build then I totally can see them being hard to hit due to the effects of 2 skills in particular but that is a lot of SP they'd be devoting to that particular route and they would lose out elsewhere as a consequence.

If you are right in your assumption Aqua then the people who voted not only for SB but for the other classes too should change their vote(s) as Sedy asked for only BF experience, not duels... That's not aimed at you Wadi as you already stated it was from BF experience.

SB's arent OP folks, the style of play has just changed.

Aren't op... I can't hit SB for 25s coz reflect, then they can debuff my hit and I will miss miss miss anyway they will kill me in this time anyway lol and silences sigh.

Yeah. It's always about PvP where you can use everything. Not duels. Actually, I once clashed with a winged SB was against Moonst. But didnt see how SB skills were since he was on whippa trans the whole BoA and spamming that -4k DoT lol

Most of the Merc/SB use eva build and with that hit chance debuff I miss more than on adventurer what for me is funny with 380% hit missing on heavy class.
Duration on reflect is fine? So i have to wait 25s till I can attack SB? Then SB can use injector so 8s more waiting then nirenia so 5s, silence me so again waiting. Can I survive while this time? Maybe if I will waste tons of pots.

It's already been said by me that the 20s stun of Wind Walker is a mistake and would be fixed in the next update. The two traps they have are round the wrong way. It will be 5s stun from Snap and a slow whilst in the vicinity of Snare.

They don't have 70% hit or eva debuffs, they have fixed amount of -700 Physical Hit from Subdue and -650 Physical Evasion from Tempest Slice and currently a lot of SB don't even have Subdue due to lack of SP.

That reflect will be reduced for sure though, it's way too high. Probably to 30/40%.

You can check all their skills at the trainer for the exact amounts.

Is the reflect going to be changed to reflect both magical and physical damage?

Not sure right now, probably not.

Shadow Walker nerfed? Really?? How exactly? They are much stronger than their previous job.

Vanquisher nerfed? You mean you lost bugged destruction that made your class incredibly strong, much stronger than it ever should have been? The one and only reason why the server was full of them? Then sure, I agree, they got nerfed.

ahahaha hey bish!!!!! WE're OP lolz!!!!! SOULBLADER OP!!!! WEEEEE!!! im proud to my self

When it was 20% and 30 seconds nobody said a word

Thats also why I said it could be lowered by 10 - 15% at this point in time as I don't think the skill is suitable at 60% when gears haven't really changed and therefore neither has attack/def or most importantly, HP.

You have a 10 sec skill paralysis do you not? in those 10 secs we would have to ailment if we wanted out of it which means we are vulnerable to a plethora of debuffs from a Vanquisher (not to mention his team mates) for around what? 5s before can ailment again and assuming we did it right at the start of the debuff?

In a group pvp situation, which the BFs are supposed to be, 5 secs is more than enough for a person to perish. You, yourself stated you died in 4.

Vote SB for Vice President )

Yah After nerfing sleep .. Sorc still OP .... Keep calm and Vote Sorc for president people haha

-700 hit = 70% hit chance in value sedy, I think thats wat he meant or he probably misunderstood it haha

Ah ok, thought he meant -70% of total hit. 70% is nothing really considering the amount most people have.

By the way, I wanted to vote on Wind Walker, but I see repetitive things "Assassin" and "Shadow Walker" on the voting choices~

70% is a lot sedy. Consider a lot of eva/resis has been added into the game. Even with just 300% eva it requires 400% hit chance to fully hit 100% on yet I believe people can gain more than 350% easily with some cards/gears nowaday/

u forgot sniper bish LOL. I saw Wiz/Sorc/Vanq/SB/Sniper/Sin/ healers some time. Rarely see the rest

Windwalker needs some immunity stun or something like that , silence or something , also traps or bombs are not really necessary

SB isnt op also Ww isnt LOL

Dude I swear. Hahaha. All these classes only went BF either once and never again or neeeever in their entire lvl 85 lives. I dont even know what makes these current votes OP.

To be perfectly honest, Sorc, Wiz, SB, Templar are just the more common classes now a days that actually participate in pvp. id I may be frank, the people who play these classes are the more active ones. Like say, Suki, Ex, Kira (used to be).

Yah with the BF: Not enough players ... Not enough players ... Not enough players ahaha