My two cent time. What level are you? I'm insanely curious. Cause max ALL in skill tree? I have to know this cause i know i'm missing.... about... 7 skill points (give or take maybe) but it would take about... about 30 skill points EXTRA to max ALL skills. So yeah you must not be max level yet. This is just me assuming point is there isn't enough skill points. DO NOT LOWER THEM.

Now there is no need for a second option to a 3rd job. Why should they be? I mean there just should not be. You knew the path you would be on at lvl 30. 3rd job just means advancement.

Setting yourself apart: As i said before at MAX level there isn't enough skill points. your play style, your card choices, your costume, armor effects and trans you use set you apart. You want to stand out from other Gunners? Look at other gunners, Yes your armor at max level MAY be the same with Chain quest and what not. but see what cards they use. If you want to stand out, use a different card set and play with it till you are different from them.

Skills: If you put two Templars against each other i bet each will have a different play style, or a different skill combonation. Same thing with ANY class. Use your skills to a different combonation than others. setup combos that others don't think about. play smart to set yourself apart

i am lvl 55 but if u lack 30 skill points only at max lvl that means u will choose to ignore only 4 or 5 skills. i dont call that specializing cause considering from 1st job to 3rd job there are like 30 or 40 skills thats just too very little of difference...

but i knew kiddies will be against this lol.... i suggested two possible ways to do this too:

1. give less skill points self explanatory.
2. give more skill rank so if double shot or whatever skill has 7 ranks make it 10 or 12.

what about i constantly fart while i play? that should differ me from others too (combined with different card choices...) give me a break.

hey why rogue or ranger choose dagger or rifle? that sucks. remove daggers or rifle from game. just give ppl daggerz and they will KNOW THEIR PATH... zzz... less choice kiddy happier.

The second option is kind of intriguing. Would be fun to have more options to choose what to max. Currently as far as I know though, the main problem is doing sufficient tests to balance the game when introducing the kind of additional damage you're talking about.


Anyway, people do tend to use alt-weapons i.e even if you're a gunner you can put skills in some of the dagger self buffs as an additional boost. And the build of people may not necessarily be in the skill tree, but how and what order you put skills on your hotkey bars.

1. Lowering skill points. If Sedy did this, we'd never be able to learn anything at 2nd job, so don't even think of 3rd job. Why do i say this? You're 55, I believe you don't max out any skill in your 2nd job. Let's look at an example. For mage: in order to learn Ice Arrow 2, we need to max out ice arrow 1 which requires 9 skill points. Then we need to max out IA2 to learn IA in 3rd job. Lower point and you will not get no anywhere. If you're graduate from high school, you, probably, can do the math, or maybe middle school is good enough.


2. Ecroier is correct. Even though Im kinda like your suggestion, why do you need another one at 75 when you already make one at 30? Moreover, as in 1, skill follows the order IA1 then IA2 then IA3. If you want more option at 75, then Sedy has to either create another option at lv 30 or create more skill which follow the rule i said above. That's how skill tree is contructed in this game.


Except for some main skills that a specific class needs to have, the rest depends on your item and how you play. Let's look at Dota, sorry Sedy if its against the rule. You have 4 skills, you can choose to max them all or build your stats. 1 little thing makes big different in PvP. 3s stun can result in dying in Dota, same rule goes to Iris. 3s = 1 gcast. BOOM, now you're kissing the floor . It can be helpful in PvE as well. For example, for mage, one can choose to build teleport or not. It can help you in PvP as if some1 traps you and spamming trap, use ailment and port out, hard but have more chance to survive than run out cause the trap, as for mage, Electric Current, hits real hard, 30k hp. As in pve, in Golden Temple, Typhoon can one-hit-koyou. but if you choose the right time to port out, you may be alive with around, 5k hp from 70k hp. Unless you port at mob, you'll surely survive.


Lvl to 85, get all cq85 gears and buy Golden Temple weapon and all-stats-VI them. I swear if you think you can bully a pro player who only IVs his gear, you're wrong. One quote from Detective Conan I really like, "You can't know the end of the book by simply reading first several pages of it." Maybe I wrong-quoted it, but you get the idea. 55 is nothing. You reach it in 1 day if you know how to play. If someone helps out, maybe 5-6 hours.


Don't judge the game by playing it in a few hours. That's just ignorance.

i played dungeons and dragons online for ages. why? the level of customization. different build possibilities. rogue / fighter with monk splash, using quarterstaves, very speedy.

bored with that? make new character cause you just came up with this new character build! dwarf ranger / fighter dual dwarven axes x4 crits etc. etc. etc.

that game took very long time to get old, cuz i was able to make very different characters.

on the other hand, just before iris i tried ether saga online on private server, awesome graphics, tons of costumes, zero skill customization. quitted in 2 weeks.

so the long story short if this game going to get more customization, if we want more customization, skill tree has lots of unused potential and use it all i am saying.

oh and about the second 3rd job... just go look all other mmos with advanced jobs/classes. it's almost always like i suggested. there's always two or more choices when you change jobs.

jobs are for specializing. if you have only one option, then that's just not specializing. ur just giving more skills to scout and renaming him/her as a sniper.

imagine this: all the skills in game has double ranks. for example and to be exact, slingshot 18 ranks. dexterous shot 14 ranks. instant fire 10 ranks etc.

but skill points you can get stays the same.

if you were to do this, everyone would choose like 1 or 2 most favorite skills and max only those. other skills would stay half leveled. they would be still useful but not as deadly as the skills you have maxed.

that's the kind of customization i would love to see in this game. so you can make:

armor penetration specced scouts
bleed specced scouts
slow specced scout
knock back all the way to the oblivion specced scout
maybe aoe specced scout

etc.

another idea for skill customization: scroll of advanced skill. sell for gold or scrub tears. use it (u can use this scroll only once) and choose a skill. that skill now double ranks. only that skill. this way, no need to mess around with the whole tree system.

mybe you should try other games again cause what you want will never happen in Iris.

i will do that when i am bored enough whether a game has everything i want or not. but a developer who wants more players would listen to my suggestions. customization brings ppl in and keep them inside.

of course there will be high lvls afraid of any kind of change, against any kind of change. its rather pathetic tho, when u find those kind of ppl even in private servers.

I think the amount of skill points is enough, like take Saint for example if you want to be 100% full support as a Saint, you basically cannot get any of the attacking skills on the left side of the Saint's skills list, because most need to have Mage/Priest skills also maxed and they also require skill points.

You're second suggestion is not possible because Iris Online is limited, it's a closed down game and Sedy can't just create a whole new character with it's own movements, it's own look, it's own costumes, weapons, equipments, it's own visual effects. It's just not possible and I'm not saying Sedy couldn't do it but it would just take a very long time and I'm sure he would much rather put his time into other things to be honest. It is a good suggestion but as I said Iris Online is very limited when it comes to character customization.

i really dont care about own look and own weapons and own animations. those would be awesome of course but i am all about skills.

so how to make another 3rd job?

the same way you make the first one!

if sniper hits 500 with x skill on a cooldown of 10sec then machine gunner (imaginary job for scout) hits 400 on a cooldown of 8sec. (exactly the same skill, just different cooldowns)

or if sniper has x skill with 5 and y skill with 2 ranks, then make it so machine gunner has x skill with 8 ranks and no y skill at all.

or if sniper has x skill with 8.6 range and 500 damage then machine gunner has the same skill except the range is 6.2 but damage is higher.

sniper z skill 500dmg crits with %30 , machine gunner same skill except 500 edited and made 650, %30 edited and made %20.

then just colorize those exact same skill icons of sniper and make them with green tint.

so basically, clone the sniper and tweak with numbers.

TLDR~

Id like to points out why make even more class when hardly anyone ever plays most of them? Sedy dont have an army of zombie china coders on his backyard to test/balance them.....

Have you seen what Iris Noscrub was like 1 year ago? there were only Warlocks and Berzerkers, it takes a shit load of time to create balance in a game especially in mmo's

btw speechless when i see this.....

of course there will be high lvls afraid of any kind of change, against any kind of change. its rather pathetic tho, when u find those kind of ppl even in private servers.

Change isnt always bad but bad changes drives away players faster than you can imagine (think global cd, some months ago)

Like some above said, your only 55... which is nothing. Get to 85 and take time to gear up you will appreciate the content Sedy added to this game even more, in the mean time look forward to your 85 skills

if i get to 85, and if i see that every rifle out there exactly has the same skills with me, then i will quit. i know myself.

because of this reason, in private servers i play full solo and level slowly. hit max lvl, hit max equipment, then do what other than quitting? at least i am having fun pve time for a few weeks this way.

i do crafting, i do every quest possible.

played wow in private servers, collected all dragons and other pets and best equipment (molten) get all achievement and it was like blizzlike! then what happened? i quitted. cuz every other dual wield warrior were wearing exactly what i wear... what is the freaking point?

i just can see i am quitting this game in near future because of the same reason. i am just postponing that by being active in these forums, crafting and leveling very slowly.

so i am suggesting things as a gamer who wants better customization and specialization. this is what we call feedback. and u guys resisting and rejecting any kind of change. classic. there's always people like u in all mmo forums im not even annoyed anymore.

keep 40 or 50 players. make it simple and balanced. that works!

or be experimental, try different things out, make new classes, work for the future, attract 200, 300 players instead.

- "that noscrubs server? it is way different than official man! they have like 8 extra classes."
- O.o "i gotta try that server"


did you played marvel avengers alliance at playdom.com ? guess facebook version still online... the most unbalanced game ever. but so freaking many heroes to choose from, so many options. guess what? tons of ppl played that. yeah, most of them were using quicksilver but still tons played and prolly still playing i just couldnt bring myself to start over at facebook after being one of the best of playdom...

so yeah, balance is overrated imo.

I can tell you now. You are basing this game on skills. That's now how you should look at it... If that's what you want, leave. cause you won't find happiness here. at 74 (before the 3rd job factor) that's fine. There is many different skill setup but at 85 skill setups are ROUGHLY the same with a few tweeks in level and what some get. I'm sorry it's not how you think it should be but it's what it IS. The game was made like this from retail Sedy just added some new improvements. He's not the creator of the game, He can't do what you apparently want. Everyone had a different GEAR setup. at 85 your armor WILL be your chain quest. It's the only option for max stats. WHat will set you apart is weapon, and acc and how you card your armor.

weapons to choose from:
Imbued Nereus
Imbued Livid
Imbued Bloodletter
Golden temple epics IE:
Rusty Moon,
Rusty Sun
Brilliant Moon
Brilliant Sun
enhanced Crysalisk
or Chain QUest weapon


or PVP weapon yeah that's an option

Now that's a LOT of choices to choose from. Each one with it's own stats. Can't say what is better than what cause well. each have pros each have cons

gear: how you card it makes a difference. I said this before but i guess you didn't see that. but how you card your gears makes a HUGE impact on how survive. YOu'll see all this at 75 and even more at 85.

However point now is this: You want stuff that will HARM the players. Less skill points ARE NOT NEEDED. we can't max skills already. Saying this will pretty much DESTROY the healer classes. alternate jobs are nice to think of but honestly what's the point?

You knew when you hit 30 your path. Suddenly changing it COMPLETELY at 75 is beyond silly. there isn't any options anyway.

If what you say is true to what you want, in all honestly and as respectful as i can say it, you might wanna leave the game. You won't find happiness here

if i get to 85, and if i see that every rifle out there exactly has the same skills with me, then i will quit. i know myself.

If you think like that then you are mistaken, given the same equip same skill set same everything, it depends on how you play your toon, how you outsmart your opponents in pvp thats what makes you different, and these take time to MASTER... hence why we suggest you hit 85 and look into your skills with more dept before any of your suggestion will be taken seriously (by players like me)

so i am suggesting things as a gamer who wants better customization and specialization. this is what we call feedback. and u guys resisting and rejecting any kind of change. classic. there's always people like u in all mmo forums im not even annoyed anymore.

you still dont get it do you? we reply because we care where this game is going we dont want some random xxx bring random xxx from random xxx game feature that dont understand why we love/still playing iris more than other games available out there (its not just a game its a community we socialize ingame with each other create drama 24/7 make friends and make enemies).... if you cant take constructive criticism or a wee bit rejection for your suggestions i got nothing else to say to you, to each his own i guess.

did you played marvel avengers alliance at playdom.com ? guess facebook version still online... the most unbalanced game ever. but so freaking many heroes to choose from, so many options. guess what? tons of ppl played that. yeah, most of them were using quicksilver but still tons played and prolly still playing i just couldnt bring myself to start over at facebook after being one of the best of playdom...

Why do you like to compare game studios vs Sedy's studio of one, anyways.... no i did not play that game nor any facebook game tbh. Article about facebook games kudos if you clicked and read
Why marvel avengers has such a large audience (present or back then) because the facebook platform provides them with a large database of players and for casual games its just convenient to play nothing more....

so yeah, balance is overrated imo.

I majored in computer games development FYI, and im pissed of by that comment of yours. nothing else

lol you people love to talk for sedy.

what sedy done? let me see, 3rd job exists only in this server, right?

so, if he can add such a thing, then he can add one more. like i said before, clone the current 3rd job, change the values (dmg, cooldown, range, whatever other value u can find from buffs to crit chances to everything) and now you have two options as a scout.

take sniper skills, decrease cooldowns and range. so this guy spam skills faster but have to get closer. there you go. something different. if sniper has an agi buff, change that with vit. there you go, this other 3rd job for scout beefier.

i am not asking anything sedy haven't done already. i am not saying make new animations. i am suggesting something entirely possible to do. that's, of course, if it was indeed sedy who added 3rd job. if he didn't do that, if that 3rd job also came from official server files, then you are right.

what else i suggested? increase skill ranks. that should be somehing very easy to do. use a scroll, choose a skill, that skill now maxed at 12 instead of 8.

there, easy customization.

no quantum physics no heart surgery. asking a man who did something, doing it again.

What you said still doesnt solve you initial concern no? even with that "extra" class available you still wont be the only one who chose the skill tree, not only that that will just look like a cheap excuse for an update.

Skill ranks? sure why not you take some time to draft it up (you can access your whole 3rd job skill tree ingame if you didnt already know)

Like you mentioned some of these things are possible but has anyone aside from you share the same ideals, and for someone who hasn't experienced it all you try to make everyone just go ahead and adapt to your idea/style of gameplay

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gawd now that you mentioned it... why did i kept on mentioning sedy's name? Grateful, because he continue to host Iris Online after the original dev done screwing with us with their cash shop crap.

Here is my suggestion before you go about spouting all this stuff about "need this and need that" why don't you expereince it first? After you hit 85 and honestly SEE what it's like at the top of the mountain THEN make some suggestions

omg. article about facebook games!!!! now i am totally debunked. maa being available on facebook they definitely reach more people but the game was beyond unbalanced. certain characters were beyond shitty while others ultra overpowered. my point is people still played that. tons of people.

besides, i am not saying take sniper, clone it, and increase all skill damage by 1500.... i said stuff like (god i freaking hate repeating myself) increase dmg, decrease range. so that's freaking shows i care about balance. i didnt say make new class and make cooldowns 0.1 sec and dmg 15000 and buffs 5465465....

so it's not only game it's about socializing. have i said fking dont socialize? LOL!!! have i said if someone socialize we have to kick their butts? wtf? seriously? are you replying me just to show how smart you are by fighting with me and producing the most weak ass arguments? are you?

geez. i wont answer you people anymore. this became a pee fight and i promised myself that i wont pee fight with little kids anymore. bye/.

Bye~

I will say this once more. and let's copy what you said before. You are only level 55. That being said you haven't touched the third job yet. You don't know how the high levels is. You have NO clue. I'm not trying to have a fight with you i'm trying to make you see, what you REFUSE to see. You have NOT expereinced what 75-85 is like yet. YOu have NO clue. yet you come here and start making suggetions about something you know NOTHING about. Now who is the little kid here?

I'm not trying to be mean i'm not trying to say anything of the sort. but the point remains. you haven't been up to these levels' yet. so WHY make the suggestions. I'll be honest. if you were high up to those levels. I wouldn't say anything cause you would have the room to speak after playing it for yourself. But you said so yourself, you don't. Don't comment on things you know nothing about, IE third job and the like. Play it yourself and then make suggetions please

You are not 85. All of your argument is invalid. Thats all I need lol.

1. Some classes designed that they can spare skill points for random stuff, SOME DOES NOT (Take SharpShooter as an example). I have about enough skill point to max out SS (SharpShooter) Page in exchange for the lack of point in Rogue/ Hunter Page.

2. THIS IS IRIS not other game for CRYING OUT LOUD.

3. You probably have no idea what is going on in PvP Iris. I doubt that you would survive even 10~15sec the moment you step in level 85 BF to even have the right to post about lowering the skill point that people generally want to have more because there are not enough.

4. You are the kid one to be honest. Those who posted were having better manner than you. Just make me LOL so hard that there is another WANNABECOOLKID but FAILMISERABLY

All I am seeing is you're advertising other games on this thread. Re-read your post, you will find the answer why you think of it this way. You can't go to a sushi bar and ask for a pizza. If Iris doesn't like other mmo, then it stands out. Why should Iris be a follower? And you behave like a kid, not us. That's all I want to say.

1. your just ignorant
2. you're stupid.
3. go quit now. we dont need your stupid suggestions that has no validations ~

i dont know about other classes, but with my sorc, 205 sp is still not enough

=)) calm down bro (phu~ vl :v)

Sorrow wrote:

TLDR~

Id like to points out why make even more class when hardly anyone ever plays most of them? Sedy dont have an army of zombie china coders on his backyard to test/balance them.....

Have you seen what Iris Noscrub was like 1 year ago? there were only Warlocks and Berzerkers, it takes a shit load of time to create balance in a game especially in mmo's

btw speechless when i see this.....

of course there will be high lvls afraid of any kind of change, against any kind of change. its rather pathetic tho, when u find those kind of ppl even in private servers.

Change isnt always bad but bad changes drives away players faster than you can imagine (think global cd, some months ago)

Like some above said, your only 55... which is nothing. Get to 85 and take time to gear up you will appreciate the content Sedy added to this game even more, in the mean time look forward to your 85 skills

Actually no lol I played no scrubs about 1 year ago and a few months. It wasn't just locks and berzerkers..There were only a few classes least played such as healer because they got killed first in bf & rougues ._. but pretty much you would see differently classes everywhere and it was more active in bf . people joined 60.. but the rest you said is right.

I have no friends and my job is not needed on IDQ parties so I can't get level 85 chain quest.
Sad life is sad. XD