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Since we're all hitting L85, and there's going to be new CQ soon... how about some new relics and character cards?
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Current:
2.5k tears each :
Common effect: 15% all stat, 15% movement speed
- Relentless: All att +300
- Grace: Wis +400
- Deftness: P.Eva+400, P.Hit +50
- Stalwart Defender: HP Recov +500, Max HP +3k
- Torment: M.Atk + 400
- Haste: PVP dmg+15%, HP+2k
- Shadow: M.Eva +400, All atk+100
- Provocation: All Def +4.5k,Max HP +2.5k,Aggro+70% (no speed buff)
Proposed (min. L85)
5k tears each (bearing in mind that tears are reaching 500k in AH):
Common effect: 20% all stat, 18% movement speed
- Ferocity: All att + 450
- Elegance: Wis +800
- Agility: P.Eva + 550, P.Hit + 100
- Persistence: HP Recov +3k, MP Recov +4k
- Anguish: +M.Atk +600
- Focus: PVP dmg+20%, PHit +100, MHit+100
- Darkness: M.Eva +550, All atk+150
- Incitement: All Def + 10k, Max HP +5k, Aggro +120% (no speed buff)
----------Character cards--------------
Current:
L60 (100 tears)
Common effect: Max HP +600
- Azure3: All Att +50 (suggest remove because peridot is better or change to 80 tears)
- Ruby3: Crit +50 (suggest remove because peridot is better or change to 80 tears)
- Emerald: All Def +900
- Peridot: All Att +50 & Crit +50
L65 (400 tears)
Common effect: Max HP +1200
- Azure4: All Att +100 (suggest remove because peridot is better or change to 300 tears)
- Ruby4: Crit +100 (suggest remove because peridot is better or change to 300 tears)
- Emerald4: All Def +1800
- Peridot4: All Att +100 & Crit +100
- Trick4: P.Protection +50/M.Protection +50/P.Evasion+50
L75 (15 moolah)
Common effect: Max HP +1800
- Azure5: All Att +150
- Ruby5: Crit +150
- Emerald5: All def +2700
L75 (20 moolah)
Common effect: Max HP +1800
- Peridot5: All Att +150 & Crit+150
- Trick5: P.Protection +150/M.Protection +150/P.Evasion+150
Proposed
L85 (25 moolah)(suggest no upgrades allowed)
Common effect: Max HP +2400
- Emerald6: All Def +6000
- Azure6: All att 200
- Ruby6: P.Crit 250+P Hit 250
- Topaz6: M.Crit 250+M.Crit 250
L85 (30 moolah)(suggest no upgrades allowed)
Common effect: Max HP +2400
- Peridot6: All att 250 & Crit 250
- Amethyst6: All att 250 & P.Hit 250/M.Hit250
- Trick6: P.Protection +450/M.Protection +450/P.Evasion+250 EDIT: suggest Prot +300/P.Eva +450 instead thanks to feedback
L85 (40 moolah)(suggest no upgrades allowed)
Common effect: Max HP +2400
- Obsidian: All stat 300 (While it gives HP, it forces people to choose between this and hit chance. Att is similar to the peridot, lower by 10 points)
Hope you can consider~
Since we're all hitting L85, and there's going to be new CQ soon... how about some new relics and character cards?
---------RELICS---------
Current:
2.5k tears each :
Common effect: 15% all stat, 15% movement speed
- Relentless: All att +300
- Grace: Wis +400
- Deftness: P.Eva+400, P.Hit +50
- Stalwart Defender: HP Recov +500, Max HP +3k
- Torment: M.Atk + 400
- Haste: PVP dmg+15%, HP+2k
- Shadow: M.Eva +400, All atk+100
- Provocation: All Def +4.5k,Max HP +2.5k,Aggro+70% (no speed buff)
Proposed (min. L85)
5k tears each (bearing in mind that tears are reaching 500k in AH):
Common effect: 20% all stat, 18% movement speed
- Ferocity: All att + 450
- Elegance: Wis +800
- Agility: P.Eva + 550, P.Hit + 100
- Persistence: HP Recov +3k, MP Recov +4k
- Anguish: +M.Atk +600
- Focus: PVP dmg+20%, PHit +100, MHit+100
- Darkness: M.Eva +550, All atk+150
- Incitement: All Def + 10k, Max HP +5k, Aggro +120% (no speed buff)
----------Character cards--------------
Current:
L60 (100 tears)
Common effect: Max HP +600
- Azure3: All Att +50 (suggest remove because peridot is better or change to 80 tears)
- Ruby3: Crit +50 (suggest remove because peridot is better or change to 80 tears)
- Emerald: All Def +900
- Peridot: All Att +50 & Crit +50
L65 (400 tears)
Common effect: Max HP +1200
- Azure4: All Att +100 (suggest remove because peridot is better or change to 300 tears)
- Ruby4: Crit +100 (suggest remove because peridot is better or change to 300 tears)
- Emerald4: All Def +1800
- Peridot4: All Att +100 & Crit +100
- Trick4: P.Protection +50/M.Protection +50/P.Evasion+50
L75 (15 moolah)
Common effect: Max HP +1800
- Azure5: All Att +150
- Ruby5: Crit +150
- Emerald5: All def +2700
L75 (20 moolah)
Common effect: Max HP +1800
- Peridot5: All Att +150 & Crit+150
- Trick5: P.Protection +150/M.Protection +150/P.Evasion+150
Proposed
L85 (25 moolah)(suggest no upgrades allowed)
Common effect: Max HP +2400
- Emerald6: All Def +6000
- Azure6: All att 200
- Ruby6: P.Crit 250+P Hit 250
- Topaz6: M.Crit 250+M.Crit 250
L85 (30 moolah)(suggest no upgrades allowed)
Common effect: Max HP +2400
- Peridot6: All att 250 & Crit 250
- Amethyst6: All att 250 & P.Hit 250/M.Hit250
- Trick6: P.Protection +450/M.Protection +450/P.Evasion+250 EDIT: suggest Prot +300/P.Eva +450 instead thanks to feedback
L85 (40 moolah)(suggest no upgrades allowed)
Common effect: Max HP +2400
- Obsidian: All stat 300 (While it gives HP, it forces people to choose between this and hit chance. Att is similar to the peridot, lower by 10 points)
Hope you can consider~
Responses (75)
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TBH Its meant to be expensive but worth it -- The stat themselves (I did calculations too HAHAHAH) are awesome =)
I like it the way it is, not to easy, not cheap, but worthwhile in the long run.
Im more concerned with how the stat balance will affect the game Pve and Pvp mechanics itself, but upgrade wise and cost wise, its pretty sound lol
Besides >.> Need new money to go into the server. -
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Just because one of my characters is a healer, doesn't mean I did not take other classes into consideration.
Firstly, Wisdom affects M.att, heal, max mp & mp recov. It adds only a fraction of M.Att (negligible, almost). Wisdom only gives approx 0.6 heal per stat. So that's about 480 heal (total). Plus, healing involves HP, which was bloated up with the increase in level (see relics/cards/future CQ gears). Even in DPS gear most people will have 60k HP at least.
Plus, any attack stats cannot be boosted dramatically, because the moment you ITD with a greater base attack, that will cause even greater spikes in the attack.
For the crit/protection: Currently protection is kinda useless. Everyone crits on everything. Doing this will force people to have to choose between builds, eg. crit and hit chance.
May I ask, what would you suggest instead? And why?
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Everyone crits on everything? Maybe before darcel's items come out but not now. My crit on templars and some healer is like Idk hmm 20%? My crit is like 190% chance. My crit evasion is 110%, I can get one more darcel's + prophet's buff + 75 wearing = 190% crit eva. Maybe just buy those new accesories. Protection is useless, it made me really laugh. I know people can get 200% crit eva at the moment. -
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i don't like ur suggest,it only benefits your class, added a ton hitchance, mail class will be easy prey for the other class.i think the best way is to upgrade it from the former option because this system has been modified many times over for the game that best suits -
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I know, I'm them. I mean how long does it take us farm those mollah, while spam vote are not allowed now. that's it -
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my dodge is now 360 with relic Deftness + 3pcs trick V + dagger imbued wave. after tarrot + pots in my bf .. etc ... eva go up 385. if I equip relic trick 85 and trick 6 ,I will have more 3x100 (trick6 -trick 5) + 150 (relic 85- relic 75). than my eva is 430-440. Now let the Vanquisher 85 okay. Hitchance now will be their basic 310-320.
sand buff + 300
nere 2h +180
tarrot (next update) + 100
food, buff .... +200
They can get 390-400 hitchance at the moment. If they use relic 85 and 3pcs amethys 6 ,they will be added to 100 (relic) + 3x250 (card) + 750 all stat (omg) = how many hitchance here? o.o
and also one thing you should know, every hit of all classes have 35% probability of success and regardless of the difference between eva and hitchance -
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I think it will create a gap impossible to fill between donators and normal player, between lvl 85 and 84...yah so cool =)) -
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For the upgrade thing.. ultimately it will be up to sedy. Maybe he will be willing to create an upgrade system, but a lot of players have used it for over a year already. So it's also not too fair to say upgrade it for every single person. So sedy might do upgrades for those buying within the last month or two.
Farming is part of gameplay though... even if it takes time, most people won't have this immediately anyway. Also, spamming votes was never allowed in the first place.
Gap between L84 and L85 is SUPPOSED to be big. Just think about gap between 74 and 75 gear. -
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It took me a load of months of farming and selling to earn what I have now and what I had when I was still wearing hand-me-downs >.>
Why should upgrades be allowed when everybody has bought it already and used it for a long while. IF upgrades are allowed, I suggest it would be fixed to a specific months. Like for example, Person A bought moolah char cards at June 20. Sedy updated iris at June 21. In that kind of case I think "upgrade" is allowed. But if youre expecting someone who bought stuff like 1 year ago, and still be illegible for an upgrade, then the server itself is not gonna earn money.
The addition of stuff to be purchased with tears and moolah is good since it promotes more business. Especially since tears is too expensive now? People will be willing to sell moolah for it. So yeah, farm >.> It works. Its business.
I reiterate what I've been saying over and over. To gear up your character, it doesnt happen in 1 day. Unless youre fucking rich. If youre a "normal" player--- you farm, you save up, and it takes a long time =) -
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@ huy: Theres a purpose to why it focused on lvl 85. They are end gears~
Plus there is supposed to be a big gap between level caps donator or not >.> Thats why its called level cap lol
Even if theres a donator at lvl 74 vs a lvl 75 donator, the 75 one will win stats wise =)
Same with 75 vs 85.
Its meant to be like that. Lol. -
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Btw. Please note that these are Character Cards k. I hope it occurred to you all that THE PURPOSE IS TO MIX AND MATCH according to your builds!
Tbh I want 1 Peridot, 1 Amethyst and 1 Obsidian
Kept all Attack, Good Hit, Good Crit and All stat Over all =)
No ones saying to be OCD and get all Obsidian or All Trick ~>~ -
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Where did the 750 stat come from?
But FYI, 750 stat = 20% or + 200 hit chance =D Give or take a few decimal points~ -
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Alright, so 'crits on everything' is a somewhat of an exaggeration.
Firstly, think about it. What are knights gonna buy? They don't really have enough evasion to make the Trick6 worth it. So they would probably go with the peridot and/or amethyst. So it's not likely to be a protection issue for templars.
Secondly, healers don't really have that much base protection/stamina. And healers tend to have movespeed wings, and much less def than the rest. So the moment the new -def skills kick in, every hit is like an ITD lol.
And also, in the post below, mail users are concerned. So... seems like they don't think they have enough eva.
Basically what I was aiming for, was a mix, where people are forced to choose their build.
As I said above, pls help suggest too
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I like fae's suggestions. I agree we need relic upgrades, price sounds reasonable, err im not sure about the stats. but I like them, let's ask sedyy. wearing cards... trick vi... my precious trick vi... I JUST GOT MY TRICK V LAST MONTH AND AND AND TRICK VI. TT^TT how about wearing card upgrades from V to VI? 10 moolah yes? since they're untradeable and cannot be sealed. LET'S UPGRADE EVERYTHINGGGG -
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Well, if you buy all 3 prot/eva cards, you will lose your att, crit and hit chance. If you want to do so, sure, you might get damaged less, but you'll damage other people less too. It's a tradeoff between survival and damage. Not sure if that's an ideal build, but that's a choice too. -
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Lose attack? Not many. Lose hit? From where? Lose crit? Alread on a lot ppl I can't crit since darcel's accesories, then some ppl will buy those new cards so even harder to crit. Do I need it then? No.
Already prophet's buff gives 2x more protection than saint's gives crit.
You got darcel's accesories, still not enough?
On some healers I couldn't crit even before update, so now....
With those wearing cards I can get even 2x more cirt eva than ppl got crit chance. No ty. -
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New Relic and new card seem like breaks away the gameplay systems that Sedy calculated and constructed. A very large gap and nonsense is created between moolah's item. it would be great if we add a new item, but do not lose the value of the old item. For example:
_New relic like stat the old relic, but it will add 1 to all skill class (there will be a lot more style of build skill and its is also not cause too much difference,ur skil more damage ,more length..)
_New periot card like stat old periot card ,but get effect ITD replace all immune debuff
_New trick card like stat old trick card,but get effect invincible replace all immune debuff
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Okay Fae, I got enough. Everyone can crit everyone? I can't crit alot ppl, I keep saying it. Wanna example? Xylinn, my crit rate on her is like hmmm...20%? And she doesn't even have darcel's accesories.
Wanna 4,5x more protect than in 75 version? Why crit is not even 2x higher then? -
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yea, ofc everyone have to farm. but. I played here for 2 year. when I can vote tons of tear every day and mollah is 150 -200 -300 .... tear each. and now, 30 tear per day .... how to farm gold now? farming mob? doing dailies? no, tks u!
u guys can selling stuff from bosses like nereus, ulric, livid and get some mollah. how about ppl who never can touch them like me? it's problem
anyway, it is just my idea. everything would be up to admin
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D: omg I had a long post typed up and then I misclicked and it poofed T_T
-types in notepad from now on-
Anyway, as I was saying, maybe I haven't been clear in my meaning.
I am trying to suggest. It doesn't mean that I think what I suggested would be perfect. That's why I have been asking for your suggestion on how to put the stats. When I reply I am trying to communicate the way I think of things, not disparage your comment. Anyway.. again, what would you suggest in this case?
Also, I am asking seriously when I ask you if you think it is expected to crit all the time. Is this something everyone should expect to have, and should it be taken care of in character cards? Cos char cards are wearable by all, so e.g. a templar can increase their crit too. What would you consider 'balanced' in terms of critting on players?
The thing is, can't have it too low either, or you wouldn't really see a difference in build.
Anyway, I'm editing my post -
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Well if you really wanna have 4,5x or 3x more protection make the price also 4,5x or 3x higher not 0,5x higer.
Like I was saying you already can get enough crit evasion, so both crit and protect should be same in those cards. It's better anyway because in 75 version there is more crit than protect. -
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So as not to devalue the previous cards so much I think it could be more like this.
Common effect: Max HP 2400
- Emerald6: All Def 5000
- Azure6: All Att 200, All Hit 200
- Peridot6: All Att 200, All Crit 200
- Ruby6: P.Evasion 200, M.Evasion 200
- Trick6: P.Protection 250, M.Protection 250
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- Ruby6: P.Evasion 200, P.Protection 250
- Trick6: M.Evasion 200, M.Protection 250
Trick I would like to change, so rather than having P. Evasion thrown in with both M and P.Protection, I would separate them, using the Ruby card since it's not needed with the above changes.
I also wouldn't want to add the Obsidian card with All Stats. I'm trying to move away from giving so much All Stats from now on and the new CQ gear will likely be the last new items to have it in abundance.
I am not against adding some new cards with completely different stats, just not All Stats. Maybe the healers/casters could use something, I dunno, MP Recovery and something else perhaps?
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